Sweet! Linux is getting games a mere ten years after release! That means the gap is shrinking, right? :wink:

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Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: Purple Library GuyLots of things are liberating and yet should not be done.
Some are liberating and yet not only should not be done, but also have no point.

What should be done and what has no point are both subjective. Neither of us are right or wrong on that front.

I'm an atheist, but I know a bit about philosophy. Moral relativism is bunk.

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Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: areamanplaysgameHey, have you figured out why you don't have friends yet?

Do you really think someone like me cares about having friends ? I have two friends and a wife, i'm good. I can be charming if I want to be, it's just that 99% of the time I simply don't care how i'm perceived. Quite liberating and you should try it.

Lots of things are liberating and yet should not be done.
Some are liberating and yet not only should not be done, but also have no point.

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You know, it occurs to me that this compatibility layer at a stroke removes my main reason for kind of, up to a point, supporting Stadia. That is, my main reason for kind of liking Stadia was that, since it was Linux, what Google was doing to get games was paying game studios to develop native Linux versions of their games. Aside from the possibility that these native Linux games might be released for the normal desktop, which didn't seem that likely from the start and doesn't seem to have happened (maybe once?), the main point of the exercise for me was that it would result in a lot of game developers learning to develop on Linux. Secondarily, I thought Google might contribute to the Linux running-games-well ecosystem some, although I remember saying that if there was a way to do this without contributing back much, Google would probably find it.

But anyway, now the only people learning anything about Linux will be three guys at Google developing a compatibility layer. Game developers will just be targeting Windows as usual. So who gives a damn? And since they're inventing their own little wheel (again), they won't be contributing much upstream . . . maybe a bit to DXVK.

It will still be possible to play the games on Linux . . . but that's true of any streaming platform, so there's nothing much making Stadia very special any more. In effect, the servers might as well be running Windows now. And I don't fundamentally like the whole idea of streamed games that you don't even get to have on your own computer. So yeah, Stadia suddenly no longer interests me.

Anyhow. Even if this thing they're doing works, so that in theory they could get a massive game library, I don't think Google is at this point going to suddenly put the resources, marketing and so on behind it that it would take to do a relaunch big enough to overcome existing perceptions of the platform. I don't think they have the institutional will to really go for it; it's gonna be too little too late.

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Quoting: henriquecarioca

Quoting: pbNext up, streaming Steam games using Stadia's technology.
One can hope...

Do not limit yourself to Steam , do not be a slave to just one store , Stadia is independent from other stores and in the short term it looks bad , but in the long term it will allow a better service , more profitable and with that a better investment in hardware , and more optimized and scalable, a 100% cloud platform is a better implementation than adaptations
And best of all, all running Linux.
Believe in the power of Linux on servers.

To be honest, I think you are overoptimistic about Stadia. At this point, I think their new project to do a Wine-like thing for games is too little, too late. In theory, they could decide to put plenty of muscle behind it, use the new compatibility layer to do a massive push for way more games on the platform because that way it's far easier for the developers, put in a stack of marketing and do a big re-launch with better and better communicated terms of service, and maybe put this thing over the top.
But I don't think they are likely to have the internal political will to do that.

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Quoting: soulsource

Quoting: rustybroomhandleWow, the comments on that announcement seem to be 90% Russians yelling about nazis and calling CDPR "traitors" and stuff.

It's saddening what propaganda can do to people. :cry:

Are you assuming these are all organic people falling for propaganda? Don't discount the prevalence of state-run troll farms.

Indeed. Plenty of that kind of thing (well, and private sector troll farms) on all sides. I understand the estimate for twitter is half or more of retweets are by bots.

And you know, it's really hard to take that kind of thing into account. I know lots of people who are aware in the abstract that corporations and intelligence agencies have major league PR/propaganda operations, but for any given news story or social media rumour it doesn't occur to them, seems like conspiracy thinking, that it could be an actual example of that stuff they know intellectually exists. One's normal channels of information feel familiar and ordinary, there's this presumption of reliability.

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Some people much more knowledgeable about such matters than me are saying that doing what's needed for making games run is really a very small subset of what Wine has to do, and so the task is feasible. I'm kind of surprised that games only use such a small subset of what software more broadly uses; I guess if I thought about it I would have figured that games do the kinds of things programs generally do, except with more demanding graphics, and so making games work would need a fairly large subset of what Wine does.

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Quoting: elmapulanother thing to consider is, unlike wine and most open source projects that are made mostly by volunteers after work in their spare time, this one is made by full time employees.

Far as I can tell, Wine is majority made by Codeweavers and has been for years and years, and I'm pretty sure they have more than three full time coders.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

Quoting: GuestWhat's Valve's endgame here?

Seems pretty obvious. Make the Steam Deck a more attractive device by improving the ability to play games on the device outside of Steam

Yeah, as games go it's really not an "end" thing. More of a "right now" game.

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That's a really cute title.

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