Quoting: toorI assume the work done to activate EAC will need to be kept up to date

They'll have to . . . mark the checkbox again, because marking a checkbox only holds for so long?

Presumably the EAC people will have to keep EAC-on-linux up to date for it to keep working, but I don't think that's individual game developers' problem. Maybe they'll want to try it on Linux again every so often, like whenever they upgrade to a new EAC version or something, so they'll know if they have to call EAC support and complain.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuySo does anyone have a good grasp of why the Chinese seem to pretty much not use Linux at all?

I can only speculate that because Windows 10 is free of charge for all intents and purposes, why use Linux when less of your software works with it?

Perhaps I should rephrase. Does anyone have a good grasp of why the Chinese seem to use far less Linux than people in other countries do? I mean, most North American consumers are basically unaware that Windows costs money, so I don't see any difference there.
Why aren't there a bunch of Chinese techies and Chinese tinkerers and Chinese programmers making a Linux community? It's not like they don't have any, there's tons of huge Chinese universities.

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Quoting: seveni wished they went with QT and KDE

Well, QT I can see. But Budgie is a desktop environment like KDE, so using KDE would kind of just be abandoning Budgie.

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Quoting: GuestThe sooner the people will understand that, the sooner we can progress instead of involve into dumbness

See the use of "we" instead of "you"? I mean everyone, "me" included, but mostly.. "we".
See the use of the verb "to involve"? I'm not an english native speaker, but i think it can be used to express the process of involution; indeed, the writing was addressed mostly to the ones that already are able to use the terminal today;

So let me rephrase:
If I am able to use the terminal, but no one write interesting articles that stimulate that skill because he thinks that it is better to not use it, because there are users unable to use it, then my skill will vanish with the time and my unavoidable involution into dumbness (referred to the act of loosing a skill) will be faster.

I see. Well, there are problems with "involve", but it was really "dumbness" that was the trouble. On "involve" as a verb for "involution"--involution is a very rare word I think. Certainly in over 50 years of being a voracious reader I've never seen it before (hmmm . . . thinking back, maybe once or twice, long ago). I had to look it up. So while it may be that "involve" can technically be a verb form of "involution", nobody has ever heard of that, and worse there are far, far, far more common meanings for "involve". But I got the gist, frankly by assuming you'd misspelled "evolve". Perhaps a term close to what you meant but common enough for people to get would be "devolve", although I think if I were trying to say what you turn out to have been trying to say I would have said something about "atrophy" or something like that.

But the real problem is "dumbness". I think maybe you have a slightly off feel for how the connotations of "dumb" work in English. The words "dumb" and "dumbness" don't refer to ignorance, lack of skills and so forth, they refer to stupidity--lack of ability to reason, understand and so on. It's an insulting term. There's a slight paradox in that while "dumbness" is seen mainly as an innate thing, at the same time it isn't uncommon to see talk of becoming dumber. But this doesn't seem to be conceived as losing information, the idea is that being exposed to certain kinds of things that are themselves stupid enough (youtube comments, daytime TV soap operas) can actually shrink someone's reasoning ability by a sort of contagion, or picking up habits of poor thinking. It's mostly a joke but not entirely. But the point I'm making is, nobody uses "dumb" to talk about lack of skills--its usage is squarely in "stupid" territory.

So I read what you said as saying that "we" the overall community would become dumber through pollution by people who have become dumb through failing to use the command line or who don't use the command line because they are already dumb. I was perhaps sensitized by someone a couple of days ago here on GoL making a comment about "point and drool". There is definitely a current of command-line elitism around, and I thought you were doing that.
I see now that you were actually talking about atrophy of skills, and ran into problems with subtle English language issues. No worries.

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Quoting: fagnerlnLooks like Budgie 11 will use EFL instead of GTK, I hope that it goes all right in the transition to make it less dependent on gnome.

Interesting. What's EFL?

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When I saw the headline I thought they'd created a mode specially for playing First Person Shooters.

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So does anyone have a good grasp of why the Chinese seem to pretty much not use Linux at all?

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Quoting: dibz

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: dibzI guess I remember reading somewhere that Verified required more then the game to just work and that there were other requirements like fonts and interface elements not being too small. I have a strong feeling that rather then tagging games into the playable category that hit those problems, they put them under Unsupported.

But then what's the "playable" category supposed to be for? Valve's definition has been that if it works just right, it's Verified, and if it works, but not just right, with problems like the ones you mention, it's Playable.
If they instead stuff all those in Unsupported, they've got two categories instead of three and they no longer have a category for things that actually don't work. It subtracts a lot of information, and worse, it's information they say they're giving you. If they're doing that it's a stupid move.
Maybe one of their QA people is just incompetent. Or maybe they're doing a thing where in some cases they send off an email to the developers about flaws and bung the game into Unsupported until they hear back--but you'd think they could leave it officially Untested, or maybe Playable, and just have an internal flag that they're waiting for feedback/changes.

I guess I took "Playable" as fixable, though it looks like other people clarified this in later comments (which made me not quite right regarding the definitions but not entirely wrong either that they'd want to distance themselves from them). In my head, fixable would mean it takes work to make it run but then would otherwise be similar to Verified; so it'd still be "unsupported" if things like too-small interface elements kept it unplayable after it was running properly. That said, it doesn't sound like that's the case, but honestly, I think it probably should be as it makes a lot of sense.

Well, it's not quite what I thought it was, either. Seems like what's coming out of this is what Valve means by "Playable" is there could be things that aren't smooth, like input being tricky or interface elements being annoying, but every single part of the game has to actually run--no missing cutscenes, no minigames that don't happen and so forth. So according to them it's factors like those that are moving games that it seems we can play, into "Unsupported".

Now I feel like we could use a category for games that actually don't run at all.

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Quoting: GuestI can understand that warpinator is cross platform, but not the answer that the point is to avoid the terminal for simple guides.

Why?

Terminal can simplify complex and simple tasks, and this is an excellent example.
The sooner the people will understand that, the sooner we can progress instead of involve into dumbness (no offense).

So as long as you're explaining to me about the command line, let me explain to you something about rhetoric: An insult doesn't actually stop being one just from saying "no offense" after.

There are certainly cases where the command line is the quickest and simplest way to accomplish a complex task. But you sound like one of those people who gets hot under the collar about nobody understanding how to do simple maintenance on their cars, failing to understand that lots of people don't bloody want to do simple maintenance on their cars.

The thing is that for many things, the command line is only quicker and simpler if you already are familiar and comfortable with it. Not because it is difficult to copy/paste a command, but because if you don't know the command line well, after you've done that you aren't sure if it worked, or what to do next. And because for any given problem, there are often various different command-line solutions proposed, and if you don't already know the command line you don't know what the difference is. The command line is occasionally useful for almost anyone, but frequently useful only if you're willing to spend a bunch of time and effort up front becoming a person for which it is useful. And if you are not someone who uses a computer for a lot of advanced stuff, this is not an effective investment of time.

So, you're simply wrong. It would not be a good thing or represent "progress" if everyone used the command line all the time. It would be a net drain on most people's time, with a heavy investment at the front end that was never fully paid off later. You don't understand that because you aren't thinking past your personal use-case, in which the up-front investment is paid off. But this is not true of most people, and it is short-sighted to try to impose what's optimum for you onto others without bothering to think about whether their situation might be different.

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Quoting: CyborgZeta

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: CyborgZetaCan't you just connect the Deck to a PC using USB and transfer files that way?

Tried that, no dice.

That's really strange, but I guess it's because of the immutable filesystem. Since SteamOS would have to format microSD cards, I imagine you can't just put files on your card either.

It's not like no files can be added or changed. I mean, you can download games, flatpaks etc., and presumably there are save game files and so on.
Does SteamOS have to format the SD cards? Well, if you were a Windows user I guess for practical purposes because SteamOS wants them to be ext4, and I doubt Windows will format something to ext4. Presumably you could plug in an SD card, have SteamOS format it, then put it in your other computer and add things . . . can Windows work with ext4 if it's already there? You'd think, since Linux is so big in the server space and Windows still does server stuff, but I don't know. If you're a Linux user you'd be fine though, right?

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