Quoting: AppelsinIf so, then

A) Valve needs to build them themselves.

Yeah. Luckily, since the Steam Machine thing Valve have gotten a bit more experience with hardware, like the VR stuff. So they should have more capacity to make this themselves than they would have to try to make Steam Machines themselves.

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Well. If it's a success, that's huge for us. I think it's possible for it to be a success. But they'll have to get a bit more serious than they were for the Steam Machines. And, you know, not fuck up. I won't say I think it's a sure thing, or even that I think the chances are excellent. But they're not tiny either. I will definitely be watching this space with interest.

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Some UI changes will be needed, as the resume feature isn't obvious as you need to hit Cancel to get the option to pick up the download again later but it works at least.

That's great feedback!
We will need to think on how this would be more intuitive. Maybe adding a stop button close to the progress bar or adding a stop button close to the cancel and removing the dialog.

Next version will be better since we will also have other visual improvements.

And thanks for sharing news about heroic here 😁

If you do something like that, I wouldn't call it "stop", I'd call it "pause"--which has that implication that you can continue. "Stop" sounds a bit more final.

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Point and click must be pretty easy to support on Linux--we seem to get a lot of them.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: CSharp

Quoting: HoriI like Steam a lot but I also have all my games here, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't just up and leave without basically throwing away a load of money.

I like this point here. If I don't own the game anyway, why should I pretend to own it. If steam shuts down my games are lost regardless

Well, yours might be, but mine won't. My internet is fairly reliable, but there have been enough exceptions and enough times playing games on my laptop away from wi-fi, that I can say generally I can play Steam games offline. It squeaks that it can't find Steam and asks plaintively if I want to play in offline mode. Then I do. I can't see how that would be different if I was online but Steam no longer existed.

So what he meant was, I think, if Steam itself shuts down forever, in which case you probably won't be able to download more Steam games, since there wouldn't be anyone left running the servers. That means you'd be stuck playing your already installed games.

Yeah, if it went down overnight. That isn't really all that likely IMO. I mean, I don't see Valve going down at all, so that's a small chance within a small chance. If Valve goes down it will take a decade or two of dropping market share, missteps and so on. I'm pretty sure it would look a bit rickety for years before it actually turned out the lights. By that time I can buy a spare hard drive.

Also, even in offline mode, you still have to log in from time to time. Especially on a new system, even if you transplant the Steam installation from somewhere else, you still have to log in the first time.

And yes, I know Steam says they will take care of it if it comes to that, but that means absolutely zero.

No it doesn't. What would be their motivation to be jerks about it? Hello, the scenario is Valve shutting down and ceasing to make revenues. They would gain no monies from screwing people, and I've never gotten the impression that anyone major at Valve was motivated primarily by spite.

In any case, if Valve shut down, there would be nobody to sue anyone for making a workaround, or to make adjustments to block workarounds. And I doubt it would be that hard, and there would be a huge mass of people with motivation to create such a thing. So, a workaround there would be, in short order. There is no way the millions of Steam users would find themselves forever locked out of their games, it's silly.

Now Stadia is a different question--you can't download your games at all in the first place, so there's nothing to enable or to work around. If they shut down, that's it--you never had any games, you just had the privilege of accessing their servers to stream certain things. But with Valve, you download games and they work on your personal Turing engine, which means they are functionally yours and will stay that way.

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Just listening to the trailer, that is some pretty good voice acting.

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Well, this seems like a fundamentally good thing. My opinion, as I've said before, is that cryptocurrency is generally tulips [External Link]. Its popularity and rapidly rising price is a by-product of central banks aggressively pumping money into the financial system ever since about 2008; financial markets in general, whether stocks or whatever, have been unmoored from the broader economy ever since that began. Basically, unimaginably huge mountain ranges of cash have been desperately looking for something, anything, to speculate on; crypto has been going up (with a bit of obligatory volatility because you can't have pump-and-dump without a bit of dump) just like high end art has been.

But that's no big deal. There's all that money, there's gonna be tulips, whatever they happen to specifically be. And if there's gonna be tulips, it's better if they don't require countries' worth of energy to exist. So, good on Ethereum.

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If you want to talk about a cryptocurrency that's stupidly popular, that would be Dogecoin.

(I mean, these days Venice is pretty much bankrupt, whole city's sinking into the ooze--no way would I buy a coin backed by the Doge :grin: .)

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPMy biggest fear with subscription services is that I'm not sure if it is actually viable for smaller developers.

Exactly. Ask smaller-name musicians how much money they make on spotify or other streaming services.

Streaming only benefits the platforms and the big names. Everyone else loses.

As I understand it, at this point there almost is no indie music as we used to think of it. Rather, there's amateur music. Independent musicians mostly make so little money they're no longer living on a shoestring doing gigs, rather they're living on a shoestring waiting tables while doing music as best they can on the side for basically nothing. Of course Covid made all that even worse, but the prospect of making a living as a musician had pretty much imploded in the last 20 years even before that.

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Quoting: CSharp

Quoting: HoriI like Steam a lot but I also have all my games here, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't just up and leave without basically throwing away a load of money.

I like this point here. If I don't own the game anyway, why should I pretend to own it. If steam shuts down my games are lost regardless

Well, yours might be, but mine won't. My internet is fairly reliable, but there have been enough exceptions and enough times playing games on my laptop away from wi-fi, that I can say generally I can play Steam games offline. It squeaks that it can't find Steam and asks plaintively if I want to play in offline mode. Then I do. I can't see how that would be different if I was online but Steam no longer existed.

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