Quoting: Patola

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Quoting: gabberNow let me get this straight: You shoot, burn and blow up others. But how dare you call them a nasty word, that's too much. That's "hate-speech" and "toxic".

The one is virtual - a bunch of pixels is killed.
The other is real - an actual person is insulted.

It's not even that. I don't think they allow people to talk shit at martial arts tournaments, either, even full contact ones where they're going to beat the stuffing out of each other. You're competing, violently, because everyone involved wants to, but that's no reason not to treat each other with respect. Pro MMA has some trash-talking, which I find vulgar and annoying, but even there you don't see them going "You (sexual orientation) mother****er" yadda yadda yadda. They set limits. There's no reason sportsmanlike conduct shouldn't extend to computer games.

I do wonder about people who feel compelled to do that kind of crap.

There are fighting stances where provocation is not only permitted but incentivized, it's part of the game, you have even given a good example with Pro MMA. Words, when not a part of "clear and present danger" like in a threat or shouting fire in a crowded theater, are not violence.

Did I say they were violence? Lots of repugnant things aren't violence. If someone could teleport shit into my lap while I'm playing a game, that wouldn't be violence either, and I would be perfectly capable of making an effort of will and ignoring it while playing on. So, if that were possible should it be allowed? I'm thinking not.

I disagree, the "shit into your lap" is very much the definition of violence. Might not hurt, but it causes direct, clear damage. Violence: "Behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something:.

No, shit in my lap would not hurt, damage or kill me. It would be gratuitously nasty, but not violent. Much like shit-talking.
But words are actually more dangerous. You're Brazilian, are you not? How many people are likely to die in the next few years because of Bolsonaro shit-talking about various groups? Not, mind you, because he ordered troops to do anything, just because he set a tone that made various shitheads and interest groups feel like some people are fair game. How many other people will repeat what he says, creating a climate of dehumanization?
It's believed by many investigators that the massacres in Rwanda were to a fair extent enabled by media like talk radio routinely calling the other ethnic group various stuff like cockroaches and whatnot, dehumanizing them and making it psychologically "OK" to kill them. Not that there wasn't other stuff going on, but that had a big impact.

I was bullied in school. A lot. I was chased around and beaten up routinely by groups of 4 to 6, although not that thoroughly 'cause it wasn't that tough a school (and often they failed to catch me 'cause I ran fast). And I was insulted constantly and socially ostracized. I gave as good as I got there. So as someone with extensive experience of the physical and the verbal side . . . if you could have somehow subtracted one entirely, just leaving the other, well, I won't say it's an easy or slam-dunk choice but I'd probably get rid of the verbal rather than the physical. So I don't find people convincing when they say words are nothing and should just be ignored. Or that verbal abuse is fun.

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: gabberNow let me get this straight: You shoot, burn and blow up others. But how dare you call them a nasty word, that's too much. That's "hate-speech" and "toxic".

The one is virtual - a bunch of pixels is killed.
The other is real - an actual person is insulted.

Ok, your avatar, your representation in a virtual world is shred to pieces in a graphical manner and with sophisticated animations, 3D graphics and sounds, but still words which are as virtual as any graphics are worse? So the words unambiguously affect the person, they could not be "protected" by these nasty words like, you know, not giving a f* about them instead of asking for censorship?

Words are incredibly important after all. Probably not the ones under discussion, to be honest, but you sound like you're saying "They're just words" which would be a really stupid thing to say. All really big atrocities have the way to them paved by words. All really big achievements are first envisioned in words. Words run the friggin' world (Graphics do not). It would be a better place if they were used with a bit more care, instead of, say, the most powerful country in the world being run on Twitter.

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Quoting: TheRiddickBecause Stadia is not going to release Linux versions of any of these games, or the devs/publishers.
Likely google has it in a contract that it must be exclusive to Stadia!

I find it funny people think this is going to help Linux gaming in any way, shape, or form...

It probably already has. Recent improvements in how certain game engines handle Vulkan probably have something to do with Stadia.
That's where I think Stadia will, half against Google's will, help Linux gaming: To make Stadia work well they have to make the Linux game development toolchain, drivers and so forth work well. And to get games on Stadia requires lots of game developers to develop on Linux. That in turn will create a pool of people with skills and "itches to scratch" which will accelerate development on open source infrastructure related to Linux gaming--and of course just a bunch of developers for whom adding Linux as a release target holds no terrors.

I don't think Stadia games will get published as proper Linux games, at least not while Stadia is a going concern. But there should be some useful indirect effects.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPThe problem is that nowadays everything can be called "hate-speech" and get the perpetually offended raging, calling for mommy (aka whoever runs the game) to restrict others so they can have their completely opposition-and-adversity-free safe space.

I've noticed that the people who love their gratuitous kaka-language insults get tremendously offended and thin-skinned whenever they're confronted with someone who considers it juvenile stupidity. Buncha snowflakes.

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: gabberNow let me get this straight: You shoot, burn and blow up others. But how dare you call them a nasty word, that's too much. That's "hate-speech" and "toxic".

The one is virtual - a bunch of pixels is killed.
The other is real - an actual person is insulted.

It's not even that. I don't think they allow people to talk shit at martial arts tournaments, either, even full contact ones where they're going to beat the stuffing out of each other. You're competing, violently, because everyone involved wants to, but that's no reason not to treat each other with respect. Pro MMA has some trash-talking, which I find vulgar and annoying, but even there you don't see them going "You (sexual orientation) mother****er" yadda yadda yadda. They set limits. There's no reason sportsmanlike conduct shouldn't extend to computer games.

I do wonder about people who feel compelled to do that kind of crap.

There are fighting stances where provocation is not only permitted but incentivized, it's part of the game, you have even given a good example with Pro MMA. Words, when not a part of "clear and present danger" like in a threat or shouting fire in a crowded theater, are not violence.

Did I say they were violence? Lots of repugnant things aren't violence. If someone could teleport shit into my lap while I'm playing a game, that wouldn't be violence either, and I would be perfectly capable of making an effort of will and ignoring it while playing on. So, if that were possible should it be allowed? I'm thinking not.

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In some countries, collaborators were even worse than the Nazis themselves. Consider that group of Croatians who worshipped Hitler's mustache and so called themselves the "Mustashi" . . .
What? They didn't? Then why the name . . . Oooohhhh, "Ustashi". Well, anyway, those guys were horrible.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: gabberNow let me get this straight: You shoot, burn and blow up others. But how dare you call them a nasty word, that's too much. That's "hate-speech" and "toxic".

The one is virtual - a bunch of pixels is killed.
The other is real - an actual person is insulted.

It's not even that. I don't think they allow people to talk shit at martial arts tournaments, either, even full contact ones where they're going to beat the stuffing out of each other. You're competing, violently, because everyone involved wants to, but that's no reason not to treat each other with respect. Pro MMA has some trash-talking, which I find vulgar and annoying, but even there you don't see them going "You (sexual orientation) mother****er" yadda yadda yadda. They set limits. There's no reason sportsmanlike conduct shouldn't extend to computer games.

I do wonder about people who feel compelled to do that kind of crap.

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Quoting: JarnoHistory is always written by the winners.

In the case of WW II that's a better thing than usual.
It's not really true though. The first draft is written by the winners. Get a bit deeper in time and you get a bunch of historians who don't give a damn about either side, digging through all kinds of sources to get a broader perspective. Right now WW II is somewhere partway into the process. And as that process moves forward, scholars have pointed out a bunch of the winners' atrocities, but they're all remaining in unusual agreement about just how revolting the losers were.

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Bit broke right now ($#@! replacement hot water heater!), but wishlisted.

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Quoting: ZeloxI know alot of people hate Microsoft here

Ooh ooh! (waves hand) That would be me!

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