Quoting: devnullHostile? Erm, OK? Guess if you wish to think that sure.

Seems like a reasonable way to construe

Quoting: devnullWell, you're reading Reddit. Not sure why I'm surprised?
Your strawman isn't going to work.
You have to be kidding me.
(seriously where do you get this drivel from).
I don't know where to even begin with that.
Oh hell I give up on this thread.
You're fairly clueless when it comes to this, I forgot.

And that's just the bits that stand out as individual utterances. In context, much of the rest of what you said is very dismissive and snide, as well. I suppose you could say that was less "hostile" and more "contemptuous", but I certainly wouldn't describe it as "friendly" or "respectful" or even "neutral".
Incidentally, you're right that Scaine isn't using the word "strawman" correctly. But, neither are you.

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Quoting: lucinosWhat puzzles me for many years, is why there is no "linux store" for user, __not system__, software. It is not like we really need all this software to be in the system, in which case the distro software manager needs to know about it. Why we need steam to do the obvious and even know there is not something like it. I do not even see anyone proposing it.

Instead we see overengineering solutions like snaps and flatpacks.

I don't quite get what you're talking about. When I go to the "Software Centre" thingie on Mint, Krita is there (two versions actually, one "native" distro version and one from flathub). But if it wasn't in my distro's repository, and I wanted to install it anyway, I'd want an "overengineered" solution like a flatpak so I didn't end up in dependency hell.

We don't need Steam for something like Krita. But Windows users do, and it would be kind of strange for Krita to go on Steam and not be available to Linux users there; plus if someone wants to throw some money their way, they can buy a Steam copy.

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Quoting: lodWhat's going on with the wine build? Sometimes it has similar FPS as windows but 10%CPU load less.

Maybe we're getting to the point where the specifically graphics/gamey stuff is so close we start to see underlying effects from the efficiency, or lack thereof, of the operating system itself, and Windows 10 is less efficient than Linux, or at least whatever specific Linux they're using.

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Truth in advertising. That was indeed ultra strange.

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Quoting: pbProprietary office suite? Software store? I thought Manjaro was just arch with more conservative approach to packages, but it seems that it's to Arch something like Ubuntu to Debian? I'll stick with the vanilla distro, thank you very much. ;-)

I was kind of wondering why anyone would want a non-Free office suite that wasn't Microsoft Office. I personally don't want Microsoft Office, but there are reasons someone would. Anything else has all the disadvantages of LibreOffice from "not being MS Office" and I find it hard to imagine it being as good as LibreOffice in terms of features unless someone sank ten billion bucks into it which you'd think we'd have heard about, and then on top of that it'd be non-Free. What's the use-case here?

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Quoting: rat2000

Quoting: DorritPlease elaborate...

When I said AUR I meant the rolling release model which, in my opinion, makes Snaps/flatpaks irrelevant since programs are always up to date without the negatives: large install files, slow to open, non-use of system themes and fonts.

I can see a couple of reasons to use them
1. "always up to date" -- sure, in theory. Debian has a rolling release model . . .
2. I always saw Flatpaks as primarily for things that aren't in your distro's repository, whether it's rolling release or not. The advantage is that a Flatpak will work despite the packages not being integrated with your distribution's choices of library versions and whatnot. Flatpaks have actually struck me as a great delivery system for games in particular. With games being so huge, the few extra bits on a flatpak are going to add like 0.1% or something to the size. But they'd give the developers a good bit of peace of mind and broader usability with different distributions and versions.

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Before you go throwing Discord under a bus and gathering any pitchforks though

Hey! Give me back my pitchfork!

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Wimpressive!

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Quoting: RoosterBetter from developer point of view. I guess it might differ from dev to dev, but I'm pretty sure most of them will prioritize the 100/0 cut and ease of the setup to everything else.

I wouldn't know. I have, in the article and thread, testimony from two devs; one seems to prioritize one, the other seems to prioritize the other. I hesitate to extrapolate to "most of them" from that sample, or to make claims which is better from the developer point of view. YMMV, I guess.
But the thing is, forums and such are a developer feature: They enable feedback and QA.

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Quoting: devnull

Quoting: scaineWhy the Discord hate here? Every time someone shouts "spyware" about this app, I do another little search on the internet and yet every time, I seem to end up on the usual fairly paranoid forum and reddit posts that simply put Discord in the same basket as Steam and Facebook.

Well, you're reading Reddit. Not sure why I'm surprised?

As one who has been vocal about it many times all I can say is bullshit. Look at their client yourself if you think people are being "paranoid" (why is that even derogatory here?). The process logging is a --TINY-- part of the problem. And no, you cannot just "opt-out", try it. Go on, we'll wait. What's that? You can't?

While I don't know the truth about Discord, I can read English. You are incorrectly parsing what you're replying to and this is leading you to be inaccurately insulting. Scaine did not say that Scaine typically hangs out on or relies on Reddit. Scaine said that when he does an internet search on this topic, all it ever seems to turn up is Reddit discussions and similar things.
Ironically, both of you are critiquing and devaluing the other side's position for association with Reddit. But the difference is that you're doing it based on misconstruing (deliberately?) the other person's meaning.

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