Quoting: kneekoo

Quoting: Purple Library Guyit's always possible that you have bad motivations, but I have no particular evidence of it being so, and even given some I would give some benefit of doubt if the evidence wasn't good. I explain this because despite getting on the high moral horse, you don't seem to be doing that, you are instead getting personal and I don't appreciate it. So no, I don't forgive your sarcasm and would appreciate an apology for it, especially since your sarcasm seems to be the result of working hard to negatively misconstrue what I was saying.

I don't have bad motivations and there's no reason to assume I worked in any way to misconstrue said things. Maybe you will also clarify some of the thoughts that you feel I misinterpreted.

That I feel you misinterpreted? Gee, you seem pretty sure when you tell other people they got what you said wrong ("I didn't say nor imply that", and certain that what you said was clear ("No, what I said is clear. Maybe read it again"). But if it's the other way around, we only feel you misinterpreted it. Glad to see we're all on a level playing field here.

So OK, I gave you a paragraph explaining how I feel there's a duty to be nice to people, as opposed to the lack of such a duty towards companies. Your response of

Not to speak too ill of normal fellow human beings? Wow, you must be popular with people who don't aim to please you. Forgive my sarcasm

Was basically accusing me of being nasty to people, precisely the opposite of my point, which was, to show the same confidence in my statements you do in yours, perfectly clear. Since I feel it was perfectly clear, of course I'm going to feel that if you're acting like I said the opposite of what I did, in a way which allows you to be sarcastic at my expense, that must have been from some effort on your part--from you wanting to be able to interpret it in a negative way.
But perhaps I wasn't being as clear as I believed. If so, your misinterpretation was perhaps not as unwarranted as I thought. But it was one, and your misinterpretation led you to go ad hominem, which I haven't done with you.
It was an unpleasant thing to say. I would be happy if you retracted it. And doing so would be consistent with your repeated claims to niceness and constructiveness.

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On the features, I find myself wondering about anyone who thinks a "Sci-fi noire" genre is "unique".

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There's been a couple other articles here about this game, with some interesting discussion. So if you're on the fence about whether to give it a try, might be worth a search.

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Quoting: GuestNope...

"Where Refunds Apply
The Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store. Here is an overview of how refunds work with other types of purchases."

Source: https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/ [External Link]

Sure, good luck with 2 hours and 2 seconds in that case.

Well, sure, but your luck on keeping under 2 hours to evaluate is going to be better with games that don't work on Proton versus non-Proton games that run fine but you thought were buggy suckage.

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Quoting: kneekooMaybe some people don't know or have forgotten that Valve was bad-mouthed in the Linux community before they worked on a Linux client.

Any source of this, because I dont recall anyone on Valve saying "Linux is not good". Now not even Epic is being bad with Linux, they just dont care.

No, the other way around. kneekoo is saying we used to badmouth Valve back before they made a Linux client; the idea is to draw a parallel between how we treated Valve then and how we treat Epic now, and between Valve's conduct since and Epic's hypothetical future conduct. Except I agree with another person who replied to kneekoo--I don't actually remember us doing that. In any case, if we had it sure wouldn't be an argument to treat Epic nicely; clearly if we treated Valve badly back in the day, that worked pretty dashed well. :wink:
But there are few parallels between then and now (the only real one being that Linux market share still sucks). In every other way, things are vastly different, largely due to Valve itself. Understanding in gaming circles of how to port things to Linux is much more widespread, barriers to doing so are lower, code tends to be more portable, the idea of doing things in a cross-platform way is much more mainstream. It would be far easier, both conceptually and practically, for Epic to include Linux than it was for Valve back in the day. But Valve at some point decided that Linux, and to some extent the general concept of open platforms, was going to be part of its strategic vision. Epic does not seem to have made such a decision, but instead is going with a pretty closed concept, with all the baggage that tends to go with that. To my mind the exclusives, spying and so on are to some extent not just individual bad features but seem like the outputs of decisions made with a generally Microsoft-esque mind set. I don't like what I'm seeing from Epic.

Quoting: orochi_kyothe reason why Liam is trying to shove Epic through our throats beats me

It's news. He's doing a Linux gaming news site.

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Quoting: PatolaSoccer mode? Is that something like a poor man's Rocket League [External Link]?

Quite literally I suppose, since in addition to being Free, it's gratis.

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Quoting: axredneckI'll buy this game it it will have better designed main character. I don't want to play with a marshmallow.

You earn costumes as you go - whole package - hats, bodies, backpacks and wings.

But can you upgrade to Ghostbusters-style Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man?

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Quoting: kneekoo

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI see no reason to consider squat. [...] As a consumer, I'm a Linux user. If they consider it too difficult or expensive to cater to my wants, needs or interests that's understandable but not a reason for me to give them money or even hesitate to speak ill of them.

I see no point in wasting energy by speaking ill on any manufacturer who doesn't make the car that I need. I just go to the ones who make it and pick what's best for me. After all, if I keep shouting at those who don't make what I need, does it make any sense to expect them to starting making what I want? Do you get pleasure from people speaking ill of you and start doing what they want, as a result?

Quoting: Purple Library GuyAnd further, corporations are legal entities established for the express and, these days, sole purpose of extracting money from the public. [...] I have some responsibility with normal fellow human beings to give them some benefit of doubts, to not speak too ill of them, to take into account their point of view and so forth. That responsibility does not extend to corporations and is seriously diminished when it comes to their executives while in an official capacity.

Not to speak too ill of normal fellow human beings? Wow, you must be popular with people who don't aim to please you. Forgive my sarcasm, but my point is that that's both unnecessary and not constructive. I share your distrust in corporations, but that doesn't make me any less objective when it comes to what's good for me. If I can fairly use them to my benefit, I will do so. If not, I'll focus on those who can provide me with what I need. I'm grown-up enough to know that not every company or corporation will do what I need.

You're making an unwarranted assumption: That words have no effect. Ask the multi-billion dollar advertising industry about how true that is. I can't reach millions of people, like a super-bowl ad, but clearly at least one person has read something I said (ie you, 'cause you replied to me) and some may even have found it persuasive ('cause I got a couple of likes). So if there is a corporation, and it does things I dislike, so I speak ill of it, and some people agree with me and refrain from doing business with it, that was not pointless. The extreme case is the boycott, but negative buzz has hurt plenty of companies in the past. So you're quite wrong, it's not pointless at all.
True, it's not nice to the corporation--but as I've pointed out, corporations are not things in a category that it's morally relevant whether I'm nice to 'em. Complaining I'm not nice to a corporation is like complaining I'm not nice to a rock, except corporations are generally more destructive than rocks.

As to responsibilities with respect to normal persons--see, you're an actual person, not a corporation. And you're not as far as I know speaking as an officer of one, but rather for yourself. So when talking to you, I'm engaging your arguments--I haven't spoken ill of you, said anything bad about your motives et cetera. That would be nasty; it's always possible that you have bad motivations, but I have no particular evidence of it being so, and even given some I would give some benefit of doubt if the evidence wasn't good. I explain this because despite getting on the high moral horse, you don't seem to be doing that, you are instead getting personal and I don't appreciate it. So no, I don't forgive your sarcasm and would appreciate an apology for it, especially since your sarcasm seems to be the result of working hard to negatively misconstrue what I was saying.

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Quoting: callciferWow, 6 whole pages of pure hatred in the comments.

Yeah, you could say stuff like that. Or you could go to the trouble of engaging any of the substantive points made on their merits.

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: Debianeeryay! i wonder if Elite: Dangerous works now. >_> let the testing begin!

Tell me, isn't Elite boring? It seems that way to me after watching lots of gameplay videos. I say that because I have not yet decided if it is worth buying or not. I liked No Man's Sky and absolutely love X4: Foundations, but in Elite you have no legs, right?

Ableist! :wink:

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