Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Chronarius

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ChronariusMaybe. I don't know and don't care. Valve can do a better job.

Without Valve, I would still be playing on Windows (while doing everything else on Linux for decades).
Valve maybe could do even better - but they could do lots worse. Like not supporting Steam for Linux at all.

Can you stay on topic please? We are talking about the wishlist here.

In fact, the article is about the wish list in combination with the OS filter - which you explicitly said you don't care about how it really works.

Well..

I'm pretty sure Chronarius only didn't care how search works with the wish list, because search isn't the problem anyone has been pointing out. You seem to be consistently replying to people who have problems with other things related to the wishlist OS setting thing by saying "No, search isn't a problem". No doubt it isn't, but that's not relevant if what people were complaining about is something else.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: g000hI haven't enabled it because it would exclude me from seeing deals on Windows-only titles. When enabled though, I can see it would potentially benefit Linux gaming from a visibility perspective. I thought these details were implied by my post.

You still an see the Windows titles if you search for them. So it depends on where you'Re getting your infos from. If it's Steam, the filter would be bad. If you're reading elsewhere about a game, the filter doesn't change anything: You go to Steam, search for the game and do whatever you want with it.

g000h was saying they only buy Windows games when they are notified of a (pretty serious) sale. I can't see going around regularly searching for Windows titles that you're keeping in the back of your mind (instead of on your wishlist) on the off chance of a sale.

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Looks interesting. Might give it a try.

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Somehow, the idea of doing quests to get character skins makes the PCs sound like gruesome serial killers who flay their victims.

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Quoting: LinasI bet these will not be for gaming, but rather scaled up versions of their integrated GPUs. Something that is good for compute and workstation tasks. Will probably see these mostly on business workstations. Pure speculation, though. :whistle:

Right now I am very happy with AMD. The drivers keep getting better, so I think we have not seen the full potential of what AMD can do on Linux yet.

That's 110% likely going to be case. Despite us certainly making the gpu manufacturer's money, the fact is that the computer/tech industry is primarily focused on the enterprise. Servers alone make the large majority of intel's revenue. Nvidia's making hundreds of thousands, if not millions, per sale over that of their RTX products (these include machine learning, A.I., deep learning, etc). All these products have release cycles that begin with their "workstation" prototype: i.e. Nvidia's volta gpus; everything else is basically a cut-down version of it. We get leftovers, per se.

On the plus side, Linux has a lot more presence in those spaces than in desktops and gaming. Not so surprising then if drivers for Linux work fairly well.

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Quoting: Guest....aaaaaand I think I know what I'll be playing around with tonight. Good to see an update, and I'm incredibly curious about how well Unreal Engine with Vulkan will work on my Kaveri.
(I don't keep games installed if I'm not playing them, so I don't really see notifications about game updates unless they're posted here.)

And that's why I've got so much of my library installed, to keep everyone up to date :P

Your hard drive/s must be a monster.

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicTo say Linux is on life support is pretty harsh and unjustified. Linux is in a better position now than ever. More work in recent years has gone into making Linux stable, user friendly, supporting more hardware, simplifying developing for Linux, and simplifying installing software, improving the whole user experience of getting/installing/using Linux, etc, than ever.

I think it's true enough, but only in a very specific sense and context. Linux in general is healthy as a horse; whether it's servers, cloud (which I still don't quite get the difference between "the cloud" and "a server somewhere I don't happen to know where it is" but anyway), supercomputers, embedded, mobile (sort of), "internet of things" or whatever the heck, Linux is huge and often dominant.
Linux on the desktop is not healthy as a horse, but it's self-sustaining and functionally just fine. It works well, it's easy to use, it has many advantages, I strongly prefer it to the alternatives and there are enough people who agree that both Linux, various desktop projects, and the open source software ecosystem keep chugging along and even continually improving. More users and more coders would be better, but the Linux desktop doesn't need any change, or depend on any particular factor, to keep going.

Linux gaming, however, is, how to put this . . . artificially healthy. The number of native games available for Linux, the degree of game engine support for Linux, even to some extent the health of gpu drivers and things like Vulkan, are all dependent on a single source: Valve. There are more games for Linux by massive multiples because of interventions and support from Valve. The big engines might well not support Linux if they hadn't been nudged into it by Valve. We have one fifth or less representation on Steam as Mac, are generally seen as having one fifth or less the market share, and yet nearly as many games come out for Linux as Mac these days (and with Proton etc, likely more games can actually be played on Linux than Mac). This is not a natural situation, it's because of Valve's backing.
Gaming on Linux wouldn't die if Valve suddenly turned against Linux. We wouldn't even be back to the era of Tuxracer and Frozen Bubble. But the pace of Linux releases would die down a lot; the criticism that you (more or less) can't game on Linux would get far closer to the truth, and the industry would gradually forget about gaming on Linux being a thing. In that sense, Linux gaming is on, if not life support, certainly health support, and that support is Valve.

My feelings about this are mixed. On one hand, all those games and engine support and working drivers and Vulkan being cool are all real and I'd much rather have them than not. Better artificial health than no health, and thanks Valve for arranging it. On the other, I'd certainly be a lot happier if we were getting all the support just because Linux market share warranted it. And I'm getting more and more impatient and curious for Valve to make its move. I mean, they must be backing Linux for some purpose, right? Surely they have something in mind besides just an insurance policy against Windows stores, and eventually they'll decide the pieces are all in place and they'll mount the big push to do something which will in some way mean lots more people using Linux to game? Right? Right?!

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Quoting: Alm888And Steam is only a temporary ally, IMO. Steam /= Linux gaming. We were doing just fine without it

We most certainly were not. As far as gaming specifically goes, we were doing bloody awful--I remember.

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Quoting: MaathIt is unfortunate the level of ignorance and animosity exhibited by the general public regarding Linux gaming.

Regarding Linux in general, it would seem. I went to the article, read the comments (with difficulty--that site handles comments a bit weird) and there was a lot of hostility based on really old ideas, from people strongly resistant to the notion of changing them.
But I'll disagree on one point: Those comments aren't from "the general public". The general public has either never heard of Linux or doesn't know, doesn't even think they know, enough about it to have much of an opinion. Most such people didn't bother to read the article, much less comment, because it wasn't about something they were interested in. The hostile people are the opinionated Windows power-users who are invested in Windows and their knowledge of it--computer-oriented people for whom Windows is their "team", who know enough to know there are other, enemy, "teams" out there. Those are the people who would see an article about Linux and consider it important to read it, or at least a bit of it, and go put in their few cents' worth to smack down the enemy.

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Quoting: PatolaThe idea is indeed nice, the execution seems ok, but I think being endless will put off lots of people, me included.

Yeah, it'd be nice to be able to win. Exterminate the Hoomans!

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