Quoting: GuestInstall 1.0 of Stellaris and tell me it has any resemblance to the 2.2 version, at all...

I tell you, it has a significant resemblance to the 2.2 version.

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Valve: "Screw you too, Epic!"

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This looks very cool to me. The Le Guin looks great . . . but I'm thinking very seriously about grabbing this DLC at full price, which I do try to avoid.

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That's a great word . . . Shenanigan!

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Mal

Quoting: elmapul4- are games cheaper, because epic just takes 12%? ubisoft games cost the same on uplay and steam.
yes, ubisoft had an bad time with self publishing, still they are doing it anyway, most triple A companies are doing, epic may have a chance to compete because many companies will give up leaving steam if steam change their cut, the economics of scale will not compensate the cost of self hosting

Games won't become cheaper just because market fees are lower..

i'm not saying they going to be cheaper, i'm saying that big companies such as square enix , capcom etc, may migrate to epic store instead of try to build their own store or keep seling their games on steam.

that will cut valve earnings, wich means they will have less income to side projects like the linux version of steam, proton etc.

They might. But like with lots of networky stuff, there's a potential chicken-egg problem there. Steam is currently the big network. If big game company X sells on this new thing as well as on Steam, most of their sales will just still be on Steam, the new store will stay very small, and Valve will not care. If big game company X sells on this new thing instead of on Steam, then unless they really spend mucho megabucks on the marketing hype train they will lose a lot of sales because nobody's ever heard of this other store. Seeing the debacle, nobody else will follow, they themselves will think better of it next time, and Valve will not care. If they do spend those mucho megabucks, they may realize that they just spent more on extra marketing than the cut Valve would have gotten.

There's ways to maybe get around that, but time will tell whether Epic have the will, the money, or even the intention to pull them off.

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On "Fortnite" -- is there anyone else who gets annoyed when someone names a game by misspelling a word?
No? Just me? Ah well.

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Quoting: mylka

Quoting: GuestI guess I have a different approach to many others. I don't see them as champions, I see them as good business people who don't like being under Microsoft's thumb. It also changes certain expectations: a champion I would expect to open source their game management client (aka Steam), but good business people I wouldn't.
....but, I will say they're working with the GNU/Linux community, and they're reaping rewards from it, so we should all point to Valve as an example of how a company should behave.

but isnt MS thumb also a problem for origin, uplay, gog, etc?

Ultimately it is. Maybe they're just not as long-term-thinking businesspeople as Valve. But the other thing is that Valve is by far the market leader in the space; Valve has the luxury of worrying about Microsoft. The others would like to be able to worry about Microsoft, but they're busy needing to worry about Valve, and each other.

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Quoting: Pikolo

Quoting: GuestI was under the impression that MacOS isn't supported in SteamPlay. Has that changed, or was Mac support something they intended to work on after DXVK worked well on Linux?

Nothing has changed so far, in fact they have been removing Mac references from the Proton documentation that were once there.

I also don't see the point.
- Apple deprecated OpenGL, which to this date is the only API for which working D3D7-9 implementations exist, and their implementation is too old to support D3D11.
- Apple does not support Vulkan, none of the VK->Metal translation layers are able to run DXVK yet, and even if they did, performance would probably be terrible in most cases.
- Apple dropped support for 32-bit toolchains, and seem to be making it harder to run 32-bit stuff in general. Really bad news for Windows games because pretty much everything released before 2015 is 32-bit only, and even some modern games are 32-bit.

Apple are really trying hard to be useless for gaming, huh?

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Quoting: zen_xeno

Quoting: KimyrielleWhat can I say? It's consistent with non-digital businesses. Large corporations get tax breaks and subsidies. Small companies get lots of red tape and will be milked by the taxman. By making the rich richer, Steam is just doing what everyone else does.

Yes, the tallest trees will grow taller and taller because they get the most light. Look up the Pareto distribution

I just did that. It seems to be a sort of collection of anecdotes rather than a principle of any sort--basically an observation that relationships that look sort of similar have happened in a number of different unrelated cases. Not sure it means much more than the observation that Fibonacci sequences often crop up in nature.

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Well. Overall, this is interesting. I have no idea if this thing will have any success--they have some muscle and are offering developers a good deal, but seems to me it's harder than it looks to get one of these things to take off. You're fighting network effects, habits, and there's more to creating a good experience with some value added that competes with other stores than just putting up some games to download.

And I have no idea whether they'll include Linux in any way shape or form, let alone push it in any way useful to us; there are vague hints they might and they may have plausible motivations to do so, but there are also reasons to think they might not. Overall, I'm stumped as to what this could mean.

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