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Quoting: scaineI don't get who/what these cards are aimed at? This behemoth will likely retail for well over a grand, given that the plain 1080s are still around the £500-600 mark and the TI edition is £800-900. I mean, there's top-end gaming, and then there's just flushing money out the window!

IBM has worked with NVidia to incorporate their GPU's [External Link] into high performance computing servers. This could well fit into some supercomputer type applications (and could also explain the initial limit of 2 per customer?)..

If your supercomputer connection is true, that suggests they would actually have to do good Linux drivers since most supercomputers run Linux.
Thinking of graphics and drivers in Linux . . . this is not directly gaming-related, but has anyone else noticed that Canonical is apparently dumping the Unity desktop and going back to Gnome [External Link]? And so the thing is, that suggests to me that maybe they're dumping Mir as well, since Gnome are heavy into Wayland. And that would mean the absurd situation of the Linux desktop using two competing stacks for certain graphics stuff would be going away, and I think that would be good for Linux gaming.

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I don't mind the look. I like that the vehicles stand out nicely from the background. I still enjoy original Starcraft; the gameplay's the important part.

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Quoting: natewardawgI'm really failing to see how this is a naive view, haha :)

by naive i mean this:
'The thing that strikes me is that many of the Vulkan ports are in beta, which as a developer says to me, "We really care about quality and feedback and want to give as good of an official release (first impression) as possible."'
i dont think being beta menas they are commited, it only means its not fully tested/functional, bug free, or it can improve the performance in the future.

as i said, DX12 is older, if an game takes 3 years to be developed, you show what you're doing at the year 1, and say something like: its still in beta that means you're more commited to it than someone that waits until the game is almost finished to show any screenshots/video of it?

also, we cant compare the POV of an indie with the one of an AAA developer.
example 1:
indies may profit more from piracy used as an way to spread the word about their game, than have losses from piracy.
AAA studios, on the other hand, put millions in marketing, they don't need piracy to market their products.

example 2:
when the 5 first indie humble bundle where done, 20% of the income came from linux users, looking at this numbers you may think "20% of the market are linux users!" but the reality is: there were almost no games for linux, so people where willing to pay for anything and pay more for it.
among the linux user, the game was more popular since it where one of a few games avaliable.

that dont means if an AAA studio ported their games to linux, 20% of they profit still would come from linux users, especially, considering that for some AAA games 75% of their income comes from consoles an market where indies werent even allowed a few years ago.

The point about things being in beta does strike me as overoptimistic, perhaps. I'd agree that that isn't really an indication of anything much except perhaps that since Vulkan is so new those games haven't had time to come out of beta.
The general point that Vulkan seems to be acquiring games rather faster than DX12, however, seems pretty solid. It's an early data point, but at the current pace and given what some studios have said it seems quite unlikely that there will be only 20 Vulkan games out by the time Vulkan has been out for 2 years. And when you start thinking mobile--really, there's little chance there won't be a swarm of Android games on Vulkan within a year. And some of them will be ported to other platforms.

I see no indication that Vulkan development either has been or is likely to be restricted to "indies" so your point about indies vs. AAA doesn't apply. You're talking as if it's an issue of Linux games and the "all indies" stereotype vs Windows games--but the point here seems to be precisely that there are indications game developers are finding Vulkan a more attractive target for Windows development.

And I don't think your example 2 is really relevant to anything anyone has said, so it's kind of gratuitous.

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So, lots of people wanting to see this game or that game that were already ported to Linux in turn get ported to Vulkan for performance. For me, this is more a proof of concept; it demonstrates that it will be very good if future ports go to Vulkan rather than OpenGL. Generally I'd rather see Feral's energies go to new ports rather than makeovers for old ports.
Like, say Feral over a period of time can do 10 projects. Rather than have 10 games already on Linux that ran a little slow (on current hardware) run faster, I'd rather see 10 new games that were not already on Linux run fast in the first place, because then instead of 10 fast games we'd have 10 not-so-fast games + 10 (probably newer) fast games. 20 games is better than 10 games.
I also suspect Feral can't stay in business if it spends too much of its energy re-porting old games for little sales benefit.

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Quoting: CitirollerIt would be nice to see how it compares to the Windows version of the game as this doesn't have Vulkan or dx12 I think. So this might finally be a(nother) game which performs better on Linux than on Windows?

I was thinking the same--would like to see a comparison on same hardware between Linux with Vulkan and Windows with (whatever the Windows version uses).

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Less bad than me.

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Quoting: BeamboomIt's terminological pedantry, but bear with me: isn't this more a "framework" than a "wrapper"?

Point taken as far as I'm concerned. I mean, my impression of what a "wrapper" is, is that it pretty much obscures what it wraps--you are now working with the "wrapper" at a higher, or translated, level, instead of working with the lower-level wrapped thing. Whereas with this Anvil thingie, it sounds more like it automates certain relatively predictable but onerous tasks one does in Vulkan while allowing you to still do the core Vulkan programming stuff yourself directly with Vulkan--so it's not really an intervening "wrapper" layer for the most part.

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Quoting: tuubiEDIT: I tried to resist fixing that minor typo but I'm weak.

I know how that feels.

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Sounds great, although it's sort of a pity that a game called "The Swindle" apparently does not in fact have any swindling. Presumably "The Heist" and similar are already taken.
I'm not sure just how one would design a game in which you can be a confidence trickster, but it would be a neat idea.

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Quoting: kellerkindtRidiculous shot to the knee by M$ to support DX12 only on Win 10 - but I cannot complain about that :D

Well, that's exactly what they did with DX10 and DX11 (available only for Windows Vista and newer). And as most of you probably noticed, they really want everyone to use the latest version of their system ;)

Yes, the shot in the knee part is when they expected Win 10 to be successful, and people didn't even want it for free, making DX12 stuck with a market share that will force developers to offer DX11 legacy support for years to come... Or just use Vulkan and get rid of the problem entirely. :D

It is a huge advantage for Vulkan, and one which as far as I remember hadn't even come up in previous discussions on the subject around here. We'd been talking about the different platforms Vulkan supports (and contrariwise about DX12 running on Xbox), but it had never occurred to me that Vulkan, unlike DX12, supports Windows(pre 10). That's massive.

It could be good for Linux in another way too. Consider, people resisting the Win10 (or higher) upgrade over the next couple-few years will increasingly find themselves buying Vulkan games. If pre-Win10 Windows gradually becomes less viable and they think about moving, well, Vulkan games will presumably almost all run on Linux, so smooth upgrade path there. OTOH, Vulkan games may not all run on Mac because that would require porting to Metal . . .

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