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Quoting: Cley_FayeThat said i wonder in the past just how many excited newcomers got bummed out by the well known "smart ass know it all" linux user and went back to windows or migrated to Mac?

(or console if they were interested in linux gaming).

Thankfully a lot of that elitism has died down now.

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I know my opinion isn't popular, but remember that the elitism is exactly what built linux in the first place. As more "normies" come over to linux and want one-click everything, you will get a more windows like experience whether you like it or not. It won't happen overnight. It might take a decade, but you'll see every bar lowered, everything distilled for the lowest common denominator, and more fracturing (in the case of 100 "different" distros).

New users won't argue about systemd/init or wayland/X or how packages should be managed as they won't ever understand what is going on under the hood. It will move linux in general from an enthusiast OS to an everyman OS.

While that might seem nice, to those of us who like linux for its ability to be whatever we want it to be, we see a loss of choice as resources will inevitably be funneled into those lowest common denominator users that want "just works" and "one-click" and "no terminal".

My question to those cheering for the mass adoption of linux boils down to: if I am right and linux gets watered down (time will tell) is it a good thing that there will no longer be an enthusist OS and 3 "normie" OSs? Where is the real choice in that?

All this said, if a new user wants to "join" linux, go for it! Please though, learn the linux way and don't try to map everything linux does into some windows-like experience. They are different things!

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Quoting: TevurYeah, you will get ignorant and stupid af, but at least you're happy

"If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you do read the papers, you're misinformed." -Mark Twain

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When people say stuff like "gaming is dead", usually referencing the crap quadruple A's, I point this out.

If even 1% of those games are "good enough", that is 190 good enough games. Even the most hardcore gamer isn't playing 190 games a year!

At 0.1%, you still have 19 good (and at this level probably 19 great) games.

Then consider how many classic/old games you missed. I suspect some 6-year-old that is starting to play games right now could reasonably never play anything made after 2025 and have a literal lifetime of amazing games to play.

If anything gaming is closer to saturated than dead.

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Quoting: walther von stolzing

I hope the RISC-V and HomeLab/Modders are paying attention, because compute is about to be dramatically reduced due to the strangulation on price of electricity, and economic warfare against the peasants.

The direction that RISC-V and ARM seem to be moving in also support the notion that locked-down systems will be replacing today's PCs. Both of those platforms appear to require a ton of proprietary extensions to be able to serve as the CPU of a PC. That doesn't bode well at all for the (farther) future of desktop Linux, needless to say.

The relative 'openness' of the x86 PC platform really was a historical accident, the result of IBM scrambling to make a late entry to the 'micro market'; and they did try to take some measures against it, but failed ultimately.

Last year (I think, Dec 2023) some russian company rolled out their first CPU built from the ground up. It wasn't ready for prime time yet, lacking a few generations behind Intel/AMD, but I was and still am hoping for a new competitor in the CPU market. Same with GPUs. I hear there are a few Chinese models not available outside China.

Say what you will about Russia/China, I simply want more competition in these markets.

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I'm neutral on AI (if the product is good, I don't care either way), but I would like to point out that the example of Darth Vader in Fortnite from the article was, from what I understand, a smashing success that the players greatly enjoyed.

You can argue about where the training data comes from and if you don't want to buy it, don't. Heck, I even support your decision. I'd even call it noble, but understand the the vast majority of people simply don't care how the sausage is made as long as it is delicious. Our whole world is filled with literal exploitation for things like rare earth metals in our gadgets, and almost no one even bats an eye.

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X11, openbox, and no DE... from my cold dead hands. :smile:

In reality, I'll switch to Wayland eventually, but not until I am either forced (by X breaking or something?) or I build a new rig (and since I just built one, probably 5 more years).

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This reminds me of how you can show people forged art, like the Mona Lisa, and 99.9999% of people can't tell it isn't original, but when they find out it is "fake" they no longer like it.

It would be interesting to do a study where you have people that are anti-AI play games with various degrees of AI (or none) and have them try to guess what was AI.

If AI is good enough that you can't tell and need a disclosure, who cares? I suppose for some there is a "moral" component, but as I've said before the vast majority simply wants a good product - morality never even enters the chat.

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I think the anti-AI crowd is in for a rude awakening. While I often hear people saying they don't want AI, at the end of the day if the game (or whatever) is good enough, the consumer will buy it.

How many people don't have a phone because of some exploitation used to mine or manufacture it? Almost none. And this is rationally WAY worse than some AI slop. People like to virtue signal they care, but if the product is good enough, the consumer will buy it.

AI will be the same. If (and I think this is a when even though I am no fanboy) AI gets "good enough" people will slowly stop complaining and buy the fruit. Will there be the odd holdout? Sure. But, and I can't hammer this enough, if the product is good enough, the consumer will buy it.

I hate how AI is being shoehorned into everything these days as much as anyone, but I'm also sure there is a way to make products people actually want with AI.

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/dons_conspiracy_theorist_hat

IMHO all this payment processing for adult content is the thin end of the wedge to eventually lead to the complete linking of real ID to digital identity. "If you want to buy adult games, provide your online ID to prove you are 18+." This is the old "think of the children" tactic, and sadly I bet it will work.

Fast forward a few years and it will be normal to have you digital ID for everything under the sun.

Is this really hard to believe given all the digital ID stuff that has been cropping up coincidentally at exactly the same time as the payment processor hoopla?

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> As stable as Arch can be (so, not really stable).

Is anyone else here running Arch and if so, how is your stability? My current PC is 5 years old and I am on the same Arch install from day 1. There have been maybe 2-3 times where it required manual intervention, but it is exceedingly rare. I simply don't understand the whole "Arch unstable". Is it just a meme?

Heck I have Arch on an old thinkpad that I only update maybe once a year and that hasn't even given me any problems. That has probably been running longer than 5 years.

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