Quoting: abelthorne

Quoting: r2rXThe skepticism is justified and understandable....however, AMD cannot afford to fuck around anymore. :) They'll have to get their act together. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they'll sort their drivers out....at the very least, proper Vulkan support. :p

Well, the main problem IMO is that I'm pretty sure they think their current driver is good... It's been one year and a half since Valve announced the Steam Machines and said that they were working with nVidia & AMD on the drivers and though Catalyst has progressed since that time, it's still a piece of crap. On Windows too. ATI/AMD have never been able to provide correct drivers for their cards, I don't expect it to change anytime soon. :(

Can you, in any way, bring evidence for this claim? I mean, I'm a happy AMD user. On Linux I use the open source drivers with mesa and can play 96 of my 99 Linux-Games in Steam just fine. Some run better than on Windows, others slightly worse, but 96 of them are absolutely playable.

On my Windows I never had a single problem with my graphicscard. Truth be told, I never really cared for nvidia NOR amd, because I simply decided what to buy, when I wanted to buy it. I mean, I made a list of things I'd like to get from my card and then I evaluated nvidia and amd.

Back in 2011 the logical choice for me was amd... it would be today, because I will always use the open source drivers on Linux and they are great.

But the drivers suck on Windows? I know they had problems, like 10 years ago, but today? Sorry, this sounds like an old myth to me, people keep spreading and spreading. I ditched my windows a year back but had to set up a new partition this week. I installed Windows 10 for the work I am doing there (it's a game, actually. And sadly the requirements are for it to run on Windows :() and I have not faced any problems with my drivers.

Linux (and Windows) gaming is absolutely fine on AMD. I would not defend them if all my games were unplayable, but on Linux the open source drivers have greatly improved over the last year(s), and although I can't play some games like Metro, because OpenGl 4 is not supported (yet) I can play many games such as The Witcher 2 just fine.

But maybe that's due to me being a software engineer and knowing what I am doing. I'm using arch and am in (more or less) total control over my system. Not sure how mesa and the open source drivers work on Ubuntu.

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No same day release for Batman! Still... holy kernel panic, Batman!

Batman: Arkham Knight will be available on SteamOS and Linux in Fall 2015.

Source: http://store.steampowered.com/app/208650/ [External Link]

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API Calls look similar to Mantle... looks like Vulkan is about an open Mantle. Great move that AMD ditches Mantle as well :)

Too many organizations try to ride a dead horse in this business.

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You're right, Mantle isn't open, mea culpa.

I guess it's time to stop gaming then. I mean, with all this proprietary bullshit I see no sense anymore.

On the other hand, I have more than enough games to sustain the rest of my life :)

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Here is the presentation from HTC at MVC 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BWhM_oHr558#t=3566 [External Link]

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Quoting: sleort

Quoting: ShmerlI think Vulkan is simply a tribute to AMD's work in Mantle. I.e. open mantle = volcano, thus Vulkan. AMD planned to open Mantle and it looks like it will happen in glnext / Vulkan. It's a good name. I guess they use a spelling with "k" because other spellings were already taken for trademarks.

Actually I hope you are right, because it could mean AMD finally will have some decent driver on Linux. And if it is indeed very similar to Mantle, it could mean that games using Mantle would be easier to port to Linux - without only supporting AMD cards (as mantle currently does).

Actually I think the "k" could refer to Khronos Group themselves, who use K instead of C in their name.

Mantle only supports AMD cards because nvidia didn't want to put any effort into making it run on their hardware. Mantle IS open, it's just that nvidia doesn't see a benefit in supporting it (of course, it's not their technology and god beware it runs on non-nvidia-hardware!)

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Quoting: loggfreaki absolutely love the original one, performance isn't that bad either (idk how it was at release bought it a few months ago)
can't wait to have this on linux

At release it was pretty bad, but that was due to their choice of "framework" (too) ;) The game was released in 2011, of course today it's not running bad anymore :)

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Quoting: Smaloki

Quoting: subWaiting for the tech-savvy crowd telling you this will only be true if it buries AMD deep under the ashes.

Considering how AMDs Mantle API is exclusive to their own GPUs... I don't think that glNext/Vulkan needs to compete with them directly.
It's really more of a competition against DirectX 12.

In fact mantle was not designed to be exclusively for AMD (in contrary to physx and other stuff that is either not available on other hardware or gimped). It's just that nvidia stated they don't see a benefit for them supporting it and hence ditched it.

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: FutureSuture"Vulkan" means "Volcano" in German. Will this OpenGL successor erupt upon the masses in a fiery storm of success, pushing gaming on Linux to new heights?

Waiting for the tech-savvy crowd telling you this will only be true if it buries AMD deep under the ashes.

You meant "tech-savvy" aka "fanbois". AMD did much and more to the gaming community. ;)

But ya, it would be great if we only had nvidia and intel... oh wait, we're gamers, so only nvidia, right?
A monopoly, what could possibly go wrong?

Just in case you don't know, one can play with AMD (and their _open source_ drivers) such fine. In fact that's what I'm doing since years and since a year exclusively on Linux :p

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97/225 of my games are on my favorite platform. I also count this as a win. Even if they stopped right there I could still play for many years and then would switch to other hobbies ^^

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