Quoting: wintermute

Quoting: liamdaweWeb development is an entirely different thing. The web is literally everywhere and can be easily accessed, Linux desktop gaming is completely different (again, market-share here).

Yes, but there are parallels, IE had a 95% market share at one point. As @silmeth discussed, the web was very close to becoming a single-vendor walled garden in the 2000s. Even as it's become more and more based on standards we (as in: web developers) were wasting a lot of dev time until recently on making things work in old IE despite its lack of standards support simply because of the massive installed base.

This actually feeds into your point: it took about a decade and the resources of both Apple and Google to knock IE out of its entrenched position in the browser market. Wide ranging Vulkan support is a good step along the road but it is not the answer by itself.

Quoting: 0aTTOn what Nintendo OS is based? FreeBSD?

I'm not sure, but the hardware seems to be next gen Nvidia Shield so the low budget approach would be to use a Linux kernel and drivers (which already exist because of Android) with a custom Nintendo user space.

google will try to push Android or ChromeOS on desktop, but i dont see it puting money on hardcore games, just android bullshit games.
if it make an partnership with valve, it would be perfect, many people will not buy again games that they already have for windows anyway, so its the best bet to sell the product for gamers, but i dont see it even trying.

about the drivers, nope, the hardware maybe new, so its pointless to reuse code from the drivers for linux.

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Quoting: 0aTT

Quoting: LeopardThe issue at here is not the Linux itself.

But Linux gaming is desperately needs Vulkan to be adopted by developers.And here is one the chances.

It will provide benefit to Linux gaming eventually.Not just so fast,but eventually will.

Doom 2016 uses Vulkan too but will maybe never come to Linux. Does this still help Linux? I don't know.

Also Vulkan do not have only benefits. Direct HW access means that programming errors can result in hard crashes where the game can stuck easily forever in a kernel function. Most of us use Nvidia cards with the proprietary driver. Vulkan and a proprietary driver will result in system stability problems depending on the game code. We could already observe this with Dota2, where people had to do a hard system reset in some situations.

Even though I have some performance issues with OpenGL my system has never crashed. The games crashes sometimes but my host system stays rock solid meanwhile. With Vulkan and direct HW access this could change. Linux could then feel like Windows.

Doom runs on wine, show this to your friends who play or want to play doom, and bah!
they have 1 less reason to not give linux a try.

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Vulkan +x86 = windowx XP, windows 7, windows 8, windows 10, Linux, Super computers (that people may use to process movies like hollywood does),android x86 devices, and very likely PS4 (sony is part of khronos group)

Vulkan+Arm: android arm (the most used), Nintendo Switch, and some devices like rasperberry pi.

there isn't better times to be a vulkan developer.

but i dont know if switch will help us that much, considering it is arm.

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Quoting: GuestWhat is the bigger market? Mobile gaming vs desktop, Vs consoles?

Quoting: CreakClearly mobile gaming is superior to the desktop market.
But I would say it's less that the console market (because the price per game is also very different).

to be more precise, the profit per platform:
https://newzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Newzoo_Global_Games_Market_2015_Per_Screen_Segment_V3_Full.png [External Link]

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Quoting: pi4630Which are the two games on Linux that use Vulcan already?

"Dota 2" and "The talos principle"

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Quoting: t3g

Quoting: CreakThe rest is mainly Sony with its PS4. That's why Nintendo announcing they're supporting Vulkan just isn't enough. But if Sony announces it, it might change the situation.

It would be awesome if Sony added Vulkan support to the PS4 or the PS5 and above. The PS4 is still killing the Xbox One in market share (even if the XO has outsold the PS4 in the past few months) and having Sony in the Vulkan camp would be beneficial.

this "out sold" is bullshit, its only counting one or 2 regions, if you count the entire world, PS4 still is owning due to japan.
source:
http://www.vgchartz.com/ [External Link]

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Quoting: Creak

Quoting: t3gIf AAA developers and publishers bring their game to he switch and are forced to learn and use Vulkan, it is a huge benefit for everyone as they may use Vulkan for their PC releases too.

Right now, even with Nintendo using Vulkan, DirectX is still more interesting. Having a graphics engine based on DirectX ensures to have a game compatible with Windows and XBox. It's like 50% of the market. The rest is mainly Sony with its PS4. That's why Nintendo announcing they're supporting Vulkan just isn't enough. But if Sony announces it, it might change the situation.

sony is part of the Khronos Group /Vulkan group
i'm not sure if it has to do with ps4, or smarth tvs/phone, more likely PS4.

you forgot something.
Android!
Android will suport vulkan!
the games may not be the same, but if the engines share code...

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Quoting: m0nt3The blender render performance is significantly worse in Windows, I rendered at 2:24 in windows vs 1:14 settings appear to be the same.

we should show something like that for more people, and imagine how fast the demo would have being if it where on linux

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Have you used Blender's renderer? Especially the new one, Cycles. It's pretty realistic (ray-tracing). Lighting computations in particular are ressource intensive, and most of the time, that's more or less regardless of the complexity of the scene (though post-processing or complex feature can also have a big impact), but more dependent on resolution, anti-aliasing, . The degree of realism here is yeeeeaaars ahead of video games (i am still longing for real time raytracing). Plus, you would also have a hard time playing a complex 3D game just on the CPU, just saying :)
Plus, this is a pretty important benchmark for any 3D artist, there are not only gamers in this world.
To put things into perspective, IIRC, for the movie Avatar, each frame took around 24h to compute on a very big GPU farm...[/quote]the issue is, its an accurate simulation but the end result dont look good anyway, they didnt make realistic materials, they did it for the other program wich is realtime, so you have acurrate raytrace on materials that look fake and not so acurate on materials that look real.
it made blender looks like a piece of crap for those who arent behind the details Behind the scenes

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can someone explain me, why the hell their logo take so much to render?
they put countless polygons on a plane just to make it take more time to render?
why not show an impressive demo like try to render some frame of sintel at any resolution?
the other demos where more impressive, the blender demo made blender looks dumb.

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