Quoting: GuestWell it's not great news as it increases the risk of devs not putting any effort in proton compat, but as long as it's still closed source bloated crap that does everything possible unrelated to gaming it's not a direct competition to gamescope running on a Linux kernel.

the issue is that the competition is not "runing an game on windows vs runing an game on linux" if that were the case, microsoft would be dead of arrival.

the competition we currently face is:
the entire industry being an windows stack.
the competition is:
having games runing nativelly on windows with driver makers prioritizing the performance on windows.
vs
having an translation layer that translate their crap stuff into good code.
translate dx calls into vulkan calls.
fortunatelly the drivers on the deck prioritize linux and even then some games run faster on windows.

Quoting: GuestPersonally I have the feeling windows will fall on its face sooner or later anyway due to the amount of crap it contains and the obtuse ways it has to everything, as a sysadmin it's just a nightmare to manage. Logs mean nothing (when they exist at all), bugs are impossible to troubleshoot, very little makes sense.

if it happens overnight then they wont have time to react, but i doubt it will be overnight.
if they have time, maybe the future versions of windows would be just another linux distro runing and superset of wine (just like proton) but much better since they have access to windows code, with some parts of it only working on microsoft distro, so they will still have exclusive content.

but even if that happens it will be an victory for us... it will suck like android wich have an different ecosystem than the rest of linux, but still , it will show their monopoly have weakness and they were forced to change their system much like edge nowadays is just an chromium in disguise.

the issue will be that their reputaiton will be intact, everyone will use linux without realizing and thinking linux sucks...

Quoting: GuestTo actually survive it will need to be completely rehauled from the base and finally break backwards compatibility with ancient NT tech. And then, likely no old game will run anymore while they will forever via proton.

not even proton can guarantee that, but at least valve care since they make money from game sales including old stuff.

Quoting: GuestI think it's part of the reason valve went with Linux, I also think that in the not-so-distant future rigs with modern amd GPUs/Apus will likely have on par fps with windows, if not better with all the Mesa and vulkan progress made and the OS not getting in the way.

for sure, microsoft can break windows backward compatibility at any moment they want.
if they wanted they could do something like:
purchase games on our store and have an guarantee they will work forever, or try your luck with steam and the rest, and maybe something you want to play dont work anymore.

some companies may even delist their old games from steam since they dont want to sell an game that dont work anymore, nor have to sink the cost of supporting something that almost no one is purchasing nowadays but the ones who do generate an big cost of support.

by building their own system valve can guarantee they are in control of the runtime tech beneath their store.

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Quoting: LoftyThe title of the article should have been: "1000's of free Viruses are now available on Steamdeck"

:grin::grin::grin:

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Quoting: JustinWoodI don't get why folks are so opposed to this. While I appreciate wanting support to go towards Linux/Proton, some stuff just isn't going to make the transition (Looking at you Genshin Impact and other titles that require anti-cheat and such), so having a Windows UI that doesn't require I carry a 65% keyboard and try to pinpoint my mouse with the deck trackpad is a benefit in my eyes. Granted it's Windows 11 but still.

a lot of people say competition is healthy, but in my opinion, its only health when both companies can compete and indeed do.
when an company control 90% of an market like microsoft, there is no real competition.
people dont use windows because they want, they use because they HAVE TO , they dont have other choice.
the option we had was something like: "sure you can chose linux and have nothing to play, no support for your hardware and the programs you need to work to pay your bills wont work" is that really an option?

we need some competition for windows, and we are finally geting it, linux is finally geting competitive, turning into an option for the masses.

steamOS need competition to improve? sure, but what if such competition "kills it"? what we dont want to see is all that progress made start to reverse, for example, new games that launch not running anymore, online games baning us again and no longer supporting steamOS (in the cases that do)...

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Quoting: 04ELYNo way Valve and Linux scared Microsoft to put effort, we're going good! :grin:

of course we do.
we kicked their butt in the server, super computer and mobile devices.
consoles are able to reach numbers as big as 150 millions devices and we are doing relatively good , especially if we use as reference the first xbox.

if other companies like google (chromebooks), amazon (luna) start beting on linux, then we will have big capital investing on us, so even if valve isnt the one to bring linux to the masses, if they show its possible others may follow and someone finally break windows monopoly.

valve is proving that is possible WITHOUT exclusives to break into that space, nowadays most of the games people want do work and people seems to be willing to compromise on the others or wait for then to work instead of dualboot/changing to windows on their deck.
not to mention the network effect that is starting to get shappe on everything related, all techs related to gaming like wine,dxvk, drivers, anti cheat, lutris are evolving on our ecosystem faster than ever, if microsoft dont manage to desacelerate it, they might get into serious trouble.

imagine an chromebook with full integration with your phone (transfer calls etc), full support for android apps and the same compatibility of windows games/softwares that steamOS have + a few exclusive apps from google.
imagine luna using linux as their main system instead of windows, and maybe even geforce now with nvidia having an reason to put linux as their first class citizen at least on servers.
(amazon already is looking at techs like wine)

on linux already have more games than any console ever had (counting only verified+playble) more than mac (if we include native+verified+playable), the only pc platform with more games is windows, it also still get more games per day than we do, but that can change.
as for mobile, its another niche but some gamers play both including android emulation for pc and if we count mobile games, then the number skyrockt for an ridiculous high number!
even non steam games are becoming easier than ever to install, im starting to get hope again!

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicI have some theories and opinions on why Linux isn't particular popular in non-English speaking countries.
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as someone who the main language inst english , i can tell you why, at least one of the main reasons.

as you said, the documentation for us is lackuster, but there is something even worse.
i have an good english, im good at reading, writing, listening , the only issue i have is speaking, even then, i prefer to use an system on my native language, its more confortable.

if you try to use linux in an non english lang, and got any error message, you cant find almost any help online.

just think about it:
what distro are you using? ubuntu, fine, what version of it? 20.04, fine that is still quite popular, what hardware do you have? x cpu, y gpu, z ram etc... fine, that became quite nicher if its a problem specific to this hardware config, but someone else might have the same problem and posted the solution online, google search the error message in english on google and you will find tons of ansewers online, now, put you system in portuguese and wait for the error message to appear again, control c, control v the error message on google... you will find almost no result! or maybe you find someone that solved it in 2014 in another distro, you try their solution and it may seem to fix the issue but cause another one, and now your system is in an strange niche configuration that its unlikely that anyone else have it.
like you have an ubuntu 20.04 with an package intended for fedora from 2014 installed on it.

honestly,i think we need error codes in our system.
with an message like:
"error code 01 package not found"
you have 2 ways to search for the solution, try to google "package not found" and try to google "ubuntu error code 01"
if its in portuguese, you just have to know that the translation for "código de erro 01" is "error code 01". and you can find results even if they are in english.

if you had to translate "package not found" or any other specific term, then the different ways that an phrase can be translated could result in you searching for an error message that dont exist in english.

for example, recently firefox changed the way he calls the term "save file as" from "salvar arquivo como" to "guardar arquivo como" different translations like that may confuse people who cant find the error message in portuguese and manually try to translate it to english.

(btw: this guardar como is inconsistente, i tried now and it says "salvar" again for some reason)

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"Quite a stark drop, since Linux isn't particularly popular in Asia and again, "
or maybe it is popular on asia, but not on cybercafes?
by popular i mean as much as it is elsewhere, arround 1%...

anyway, where is the GPU data on the survey? to be more specific the model used on steamdeck...

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forget aya neo, asus rog, gpd and etc, this is the thing we should be afraid of.

an good UX is one of the biggest reasons other handhelds are strugling to compete with steamOS/Steamdeck, especially if we consider that this may integrate with all windows launchers.

not to mention that, even if the deck still get the edge when it comes to performance, microsoft can launch their own devices and things can go south , but that will take a while to happen.

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i think valve need to open "Arcade Houses", Arcades are still alive and doing fine on japan, and in the rest of the world they could try to allow people to play for free by waiting on a quee , so they can experience the VR device and purchase it right after.
it probably wont be sustainable to keep the arcade house free forever as many people will quit the quee once they get too large and will like the experience but not enough to pay for it, but once people are convinced that its a worth while experience, then the arcade house can become bigger, but no longer be free to use.

people nowadays arent used to the concept of renting games, bux xbox gamepass proved they are willing to do that if its way cheaper, and VR devices are way to expensive, no one wants to pay this fee to know if its worth it.

i dont think VR will skyrocket unless someone do "test drive" areas in big cities.

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i dont like this idea of moding an game to work outside of VR.
dont get me wrong acessibility is cool and all, but there is an big issue here:
its not the same thing.

you cant know how good an DS game is, without an Nintendo DS, using an mouse instead of an touch screen is not the samething, using an resistive touch screen that sink with the pen/stylus pressure is much better than using an phone screen with your fingers, at least for DS/3DS games.

Using an Wii with an wiimote or an motion game for switch with their motion sensors, is better than using an generic controler in the same game.
not to mention other things like stering whells.

this generation is hyper focused on graphics, but forgot everything else when it comes to games, like the importance of the gameplay of an game or even the input devices.
(not that everyone play shit games, but the discussion is never about the gameplay of an game but it graphics, that anyone can see how good they are just looking gameplay video)

and in this case, the imersion of VR covering your entire view will be break too.

i dont know, i think many people will comit 2 errors here:
1)not trying the real experience even when they can afford it, because they dont think its worth their money, but without trying they have no idea what they are missing to do a properly judgment of if its was worth.
2)even if they manage to experience the game as is later on, it will not be the samething, because they will have to get throught the frustation of adapting to the controls again on the same game and they will have spoiled the entire story.

so... i dont recomend it.
try it if you want but keep in mind that you arent having the true experience.

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"After they spoke with Epic Games, they said it's clear Unreal Engine 4 won't get fixed up with the focus now on Unreal Engine 5 and ROCKFISH don't have the time to fix up the game engine."

fair enough

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