Quoting: copyrightsHow did you get yout Steam Controller working? It's not working on my machine (Ubuntu 16.04). In other games I have no problems at all.

For me it just worked without an issue. Do you have the udev rule setup correctly?

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I wouldn't use it. As Feral said on reddit [External Link], they recommend against it. Unfinished code left in is asking for stuff to get broken ;)

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Quoting: qptain Nemo

I hope they finally add the ability for a curator to edit the blurb of their recommendation, stupid to not have an edit function.

You can. You have to go to your group, the curator tab, then click on the recommendation there and then you'll have an option to edit it. And yeah, it's not the simplest most obvious way.

Bah! Removed that line, but yeah that's not very convenient I completely overlooked that, as I was on the "store" styled page for it. Quite a nuisance.

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Quoting: GuestThis game is also available on GOG [External Link].

I’m also waiting for the final (haha) release with the story mode to get it.

Added the link to GOG, another case of me being on the official site and it only linking to Steam :(

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Quoting: Nyamiou

Quoting: liamdaweI just want people to think a little more, but it's clear from people like "Nyamiou" that we have a lot of work to do. And yes, I know, you will never be able to make a community better than it is, but I will die trying ;)

You have a very selective memory, you were part of the backlash yourself and I wasn't.

Here's the thing, part of my job is to report on things. I reported it accurately on how it performed at the time, but I was working against the clock as back then VP were not in contact with us so the port arrived completely unexpected with no warning. I had to quickly piece together as much information as I could find. And if you bothered to read the article, you would note what I said about mistakes being made at the time.

I also made sure to cover it when it was patched, to show how far it had come. This is what I do, this is my job.
Learn the difference between being critical and being hateful.

Anyway, this is going in circles with strong opinions on each side. I personally won't be commenting on it any further and if it derails too far comments will end up getting locked. Keep emotions in check please everyone :)

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Quoting: Xzyl

Quoting: liamdawe<snip>
I just want people to think a little more, but it's clear from people like "Nyamiou" that we have a lot of work to do. And yes, I know, you will never be able to make a community better than it is, but I will die trying ;)

Anyway...back to actual work for me :whistle::whistle:

His posts were probably in bad taste, but the way you react to these things... Liam, I know this is your site, however the way you react to posts you don't like paints a pretty poor picture of your character. We can all encourage others to behave better but, as you yourself demonstrated by calling this guy out (in a VERY unprofessional way), you should probably work on yourself before trying to help others. *snipped the rest*

Respectfully, I disagree.

So you agree his posts were in bad taste, but it's "VERY" unprofessional of me to call out toxic and abusive behaviour in my own website comments? I really don't get the logic there. It is not user shaming (as you called it) to use the quote function to make it clear certain types of comments won't be tolerated.

99% of people here appreciate how I run and moderate the site, in fact many people constantly tell me it's why they keep coming back here because the community I've helped mould is generally pretty decent.

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Quoting: Metallinatus

Quoting: Enverex

I hope this makes a few people reconsider their attitude when talking to developer about the performance of ports.

Really? When people pay for something, they expect it to work (and work well). People aren't going to be thankful for a bad product. This isn't people spitting in the face of free content, this was a commercial product.

There is showing your discontent and interest in seeing the product being fixed, and then there is acting like a child with insults and personal attacks.

Hey someone gets it.

Enverex clearly didn't get the idea of the article.

Quoting: namikoLiam, I think this article deserves an [Opinion] or [Theory] tag at the beginning to avoid more confusion. No matter how convinced or correct/incorrect jaycee is with what he's saying, he's one person, only one former employee. I don't believe it's wise to trust single sources no matter how central they genuinely were to an event.

Well it's tagged as an Editorial, which generally means opinions will be within (that's what Editorials are for).

Also, it's clearly stated right near the top of the article that it's the personal opinion of the ex-vp employee.

I think it's clear enough, if people don't take notice, that's their issue :)

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Quoting: NyamiouWho know if this guy is really who he claim he is, jaycee_1980 doesn't bring any results anywhere except on reddit and he's only been here for a month.

No, he really is who he says he is. You think I wouldn't be able to verify such a thing before publishing? Come on now.

Also, about this:

Quoting: NyamiouAlso who would use this surname, Jaycee is the name of a girl who was born in 1980 and was abducted at 11 year old for 18 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Dugard [External Link]).

Don't ever bring shit like that in here again. Only warning on that. Somewhere, everyone's name if it's close to a persons name will mean something bad somewhere. Don't be a fucking tool, what on earth where you thinking posting utter shit like that? I'm seriously in shock at how utter idiotic that is. Talking about a bad community and someone comes along and says that *claps* well done.

Quoting: Sir_DiealotOthers have said it, but... Whether the investment of a Linux port pays off depends on a lot of factors. If a company tries it and gets burned, for whatever reason, then they're likely to not try it again. Windows is a different story. If most customers are using Windows (remember there are other platforms too) then you'll just have to deal with it. Not much you can do.

I know you're not the only one who posted this, but to everyone else who is able to cut through the noise and actually understand that quoted point: Have a cookie.

If you have two communities to bring your product to, one is 99% of the gaming market and one is 1% the fact is you're already going to be massively wary of doing it at all. Now add in all the usual hate in all gaming markets, that 1% suddenly becomes a very loud hateful place because it is smaller and if you end up seeing a ton of it and it's directed at people personally, you can absolutely bet bridges will be burnt away from existence in a flash. Especially if those hateful remarks get talked about within the company(s) doing the work, the upper management will probably think "it's just not worth the hassle".

Quoting: dirkdierickxHow is this any different for when a bad release is done on another platform? Do i need to remind you of Batman?

Just including this quote as well to make the point.

Again, they can't do that for Windows, because that IS their bread and butter, we (Linux) aren't actually needed when it comes to making any kind of profit. It's far, far easier to drop Linux if you don't like what you see. Developers are not robots, human emotion can play a part in everything.

Other porters do it because it's their actual business, doesn't mean any other developer will put up with it.

Yes it's almost always about money, but when the money is the 1% market and they're hateful as hell and again much nosier, it's not rocket science to know they would pull out of it.

The people who can't grasp that, to me, aren't capable of being outside their Linux bubble. I just think some people need a cold glass of harsh truths at times.

That said, I love Linux, for the most part I love the Linux community and I will continue to be here showcasing the best (and yes the worst) of games and so on. No one is going to persuade me otherwise :)

I just want people to think a little more, but it's clear from people like "Nyamiou" that we have a lot of work to do. And yes, I know, you will never be able to make a community better than it is, but I will die trying ;)

Anyway...back to actual work for me :whistle::whistle:

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Quoting: pentarctagon

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: pentarctagonSo... what even are people are using? The three ones specifically named are Ubuntu(16.04.2, 17.04) and Mint 18.1 - all 64-bit. Then there's "Linux 64-bit". All of these come out to 0.47 out of 0.72, and in the previous month it was 0.49 out of 0.81. Are there really that many Steam linux users still on 32-bit OSes?

You can get a good idea of what people use here: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics

Which, if anything, actually reinforces my question rather than answers it. According to those stats you linked, only 0.05% of users are on 32-bit distros. But assuming the Steam stats are correct, and that I'm correct in assuming that "Linux 64-bit" is a catch-all for any/all other 64-bit distros, 34.7% of users are on a 32-bit distros.

From what I remember "Linux 64-bit" is for distributions, that for some reason don't name themselves or something. That's not to say everyone else is on 32bit, I have extreme doubts the rest is made up by 32bit on Steam.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: KimmoKMAnd what's the point of having a "port" in the first place if it works worse than it does on Wine? Now, some commenters without doubt went overboard, but while Virtual Programming ultimately improved the Linux version, the backlash at the time was 100% justified. There's a good chance Linux gaming would be in a worse spot than it is now if we didn't react to outrageously bad ports (beating Wine performance and functionality should be a barrier every single port should cross), even if we did get an official release of TW3 one way or another.

Sorry, but no. The backlash in the form of threats, constant name calling and *insert vile words here* was really not justified, a lot of it personally aimed at people within VP. It was downright terrible and when I saw it, I felt ashamed of the community.

Can you please drop some links to such threads here? You know, astroturfing is pretty strong...

We're talking over three years ago, so no I don't have any direct links. I personally saw it, as did others (as clearly noted by another comment already). You don't need to believe me though, that's your call. I was obviously around at the time, looking into all of it. I'm sure plenty of others saw the type of shit they had to deal with too.

Anyway, it's 11PM I should really go take some time off now ;)

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