Quoting: PierreLucDaoustIt felt like a downgrade, but a leaved Manjaro for Mint a few months ago. I had anxiety attacks everytime I read «kernel» and/or «Nvidia» in the updates. Mint was the winner of the day.

That's why I switched from Debian (after 10 years) to Mint. Debian was systematically breaking with nvidia update. I had to use bash scripts to get back my drivers, or even with the terminal (for ex, change the actual gcc version, which didn't match the one used to compile the nvidia drivers, etc.).

Mint is really a relaxing distro, even though I use it for "advanced use".

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Quoting: sudoerMeanwhile everything seemed to work fine for him with Manjaro

in fact he also had problems with Manjaro (no sound), his colleague had no problem with Linux Mint. Anyway, i'm not sure that this "challenge" has any real signification.

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Quoting: TuxeeHowever, these comparisons were taken quite some time ago. Presumably the native ports stayed where they were, Proton evolved and might yield more competitive results today.

Don't get me wrong, i like proton, and i play quite a few games with. But

1) the only bench i found just show us that the native (Vulkan) version run better.

2) as good as it is, proton is still a translation layer with (small) overhead. It's not difficult to understand that a real native version will always be better than a translation from DX (ok, Vulkan version run generally better). So point 1) has nothing special. I don't really understand why some people seem to get upset when a native version run better. (?)

3) People compare poor native version to up-to-date Proton gaming. ie. Quick and dirty native versions (openGL monothread ported in a few days) let people believe than native gaming is garbage, but it is really biased. As someone mentionned above : If Linux market share was higher than 0.9%, the situation would be different, because developpers would spend time on the native version :
4) a dev from Feral explained that on shadow of the tomb raider, specific Linux optimisations have been made in the source code, which is obvisously not possible with Proton.

In brief, native gaming is certainly better than proton gaming in term of performances but cannot be the choice right now for Valve. Valve is probably afraid of bad native versions, with poor performances, bugs, and poor support. They have no control on these versions, unlike the proton version ! The lack of confidence is in the Windows developers, not in the performance of Linux. Their choice is not a technical choice about performances, but rather a "Quality and after sales choice".

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Quoting: TeodosioI think this is good news, Feral ports were usually not very good: lower performance, delayed patches, additional bugs, etc.. The very idea of "porting" smells of a sub-par product.
I like to see *native* releases; it they cannot provide that, ensuring good compatibility with Proton may be better than a port.

The last Feral ports (i.e. Vulkan) run better than the proton/dxvk version. See for example total war here [External Link] or Shadow of the tomb raider [External Link].

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Quoting: TheRiddickShame this couldn't sell for $99usd or something

I don't see how that would be possible. The processor alone costs about $100. Even a raspberry pi with a box, memory and storage would be more expensive...

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Quoting: CatKiller
I think [this [External Link] is it.

What is exactly the first list (Death stranding, Doom eternal...) with config options ?

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Quoting: TheRiddickWasn't this originally aimed at $199USD? now its double that and no hardware changes?

Actually they changed the quantity of RAM (4->8Go) and the CPU (From Bristol to Ryzen).

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Quoting: dpanteras even a Raspberry PI is vastly superior in every way. Emulation? Again, Rpi. :dizzy:

do not agree with this one : a rasp is by far inferior to the VCS. The VCS has a real Linux (based on Debian Buster) and a X86. this mean it can be a HTPC, but above all, you can play many Linux titles. You can play all the indie titles (maybe a few AAA in degraded mode). You can't Hollow Knight on a Rasp. It's a PC for the living room, a sort of steam machine.
It's a good deal for bakers (~200$ for the Onyx 800), but yes it's too expensive @ 400$.

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Quoting: Geppeto35New paper on the VCS Atari (with facts ;) ) ... why we should fear this project[/url]

Hmm, the part on Fergal is particularly worrying. This kind of problem could really kill Atari...

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Quoting: Geppeto35You seem to be keen to defend this project, which is probably laudable.
In the meantime, this VCS Atari does not exist and the list of things you write are only ads for the moment, not real. We are only discussing communication,

I'm not even defending this project, but as i said above, the amount of hatred against this project is disproportionate. Btw, I'm not a backer, and i won't buy it when/if it is delivered (already have a small form factor Pc, with a Ryzen inside).

Quoting: Geppeto35In the meantime, this VCS Atari does not exist and the list of things you write are only ads for the moment

I'm not working with Atari and i don't know whether their prototype is functionnal or not. But i guess that their 7th update is not totally fake.

Quoting: Geppeto35We are only discussing communication, which is "our" point.

On this point, we can agree that it is a disaster :)

Quoting: Geppeto35my only fear is that this kind of project will add one
argument more to Linux detractors against our OS as suitable for gaming, which should affect us all at GOL

Cannot really understand this point. What's the logic behind ? Linux is just an operating system, it cannot be responsible for all failed projects built around it.

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