Quoting: anthonylinuxStarting to say that it effects "reputation of the Linux community" is completely un-acceptable stereotyping and is inciting hatred towards Linux users. Every-time people bring up the "Linux community" they need to be reminded that this is Stereotyping.
I am not associated or responsible for other Linux users, just as gamingonlinux is not responsible for its readers comments.

This is exactly my problem. I hate stereotyping and generalizing of any group. Me using Linux doesn't mean I should be judged by the actions of other Linux users, or they judged because of my actions. Linux users have been facing this crap for a long, long time, so I don't understand why people act all shocked when oppressed people lash out. I see no problem with aggression or assertiveness in writing or speech, as long as that it's reasonable.

If people approach me with honest criticism and respect I give the same back, and if people don't I might not care, but if people approach with false facts and disrespect I will get aggressive, and assertive, and I don't care if people don't like that. I have as much right to defend what I like as other people have a right to speak up against it.

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Quoting: maodzedunAnd finally, it is completely understandable that a single developer or a small development company would drop Linux. If they're having problems getting the results they want with reasonable amount of time and effort, it is only natural to drop the 1% of the gaming market. Time IS money.

I don't think people here have problems with this guy dropping Linux support for his engine.

The discussion here is about his angry rant about Linux, and that he calls Linux inferior when he obviously don't know a lot about it. Even so, any computer savvy person wouldn't call any main branch of OS inferior (like Linux, Windows, Mac Os), which is quite unfair. There are some buggy Linux OS out there, but then again there are some pretty stable ones. Considering that just about anyone with some skill can make a Linux OS should be taken into consideration. No one but Apple can make Mac OS, and no one but Microsoft can make Windows OS.

And the way he prance around acting like his expert opinion should be placed on a pedestal and worshipped by all, which is evidence that the guy is very arrogant. Any person who uses "expert" to describe their opinion is arrogant. If you're really an expert, you show it by what your opinion is, not labelling it as expert.

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Quoting: BdMdesigNYes but it was only the 3.19-rc4. So you should not use this Kernel. The latest stable was 3.18.2.

The 3.18.2 i use, too.

I'm very well aware of the risks of it.

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Quoting: marcelomendesI would ask the same. If we buy and install only the beta/test-build, will it count as Linux or Windows sale?

I think steam registers which platform you play the game on most, as the one that counts.

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While I was doing a check for new kernels in the repo I saw the 319 kernel, and then I forgot what the fuzz was about.

319 kernel, weeee, weeeeee. :woot:

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Quoting: LarianI'm only bothered by your use of the word "proper". I don't know what proper Linux experience is. This dev is telling the world about his Linux experience, and people are somehow offended by it. That doesn't seem terribly fair.

But tell me, is one's experience "proper" only if they've had a certain number of hours running Slackware? Or what if they've done the Ubuntu thing for a month after coming in from Arch? What if they've got UNIX experience with OSX, but haven't done the penguin? Or what if it happens that they're just trying to figure out a modern linux distro and have had nothing but headaches because the documentation for what they want to do sucks? I admit it would be different if he were lying through his teeth (and if so, release the hounds - and a squadron of lawyers), but I don't think that's the case.

What I mean is, it doesn't seem like he's giving Linux a chance. He seemed to have gone in with the wrong expectations, and without understanding Linux, which wouldn't be a problem if a person would be willing to be open minded, which doesn't seem to be the case for that guy.

I'm not offended by his opinion, I'm never offended. But it bothers me when people keep lashing out against Linux when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about.

If he even had proper technical expertise he would see it as a fools errand to install Linux from within Windows. You can try to put it any way you want, but he is blaming Ubuntu, because a testing installer isn't working. Mind you, the proper way to install Linux is always booting up a Linux live environment then doing the install.

Everyone where I work says that it's insane to try a Linux installer within Windows and except good results, and just two of us are Linux guys. Even my friends, who aren't very computer savvy think it sounds odd.

His reasons for bashing on Linux are completely unfounded. As for his engine not supporting LInux, well quite frankly, I couldn't care less. I've seen the buggy games using it, and how the engine is, and there are plenty other good alternatives out there, engines that do support Linux, with developers who act professionally, supporting Linux or not.

I'm going to continue going against people like this, because I'm sick of people calling Linux inferior (and stuff like that), when they obviously haven't gained enough knowledge of the system to make such a judgement. Hell, that just sounds like a Windows fan boy bashing Linux.

Quoting: LarianAnd should it turn out that his brand new hardware isn't properly supported (Liam's suggestion - and I agree), then that really is Linux's failing.

I agree. However, if he knew Linux he would know that not all new hardware is supported in Linux, which is an obvious flaw I agree, but this is evidence of his extreme lacking knowledge when it comes to Linux.

Quoting: LarianI like pie. And barbecue ... just not together.

Would be interesting to try though. :P

Even so, I personally wouldn't pick Ubuntu if you're going to judge Linux stability. :P

I'm running unstable Manjaro with 3.18 kernel, and god damn it's stable. :D

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YES, score!

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Quoting: LarianI've got $100 that says if I give anyone his machine and have them use his install method (wubi as I understand it), they're going to have exactly the same experience that he did. That's not incompetence, that's shit that doesn't work.

I don't want to get into semantics, so I don't care if it's incompetence or not, but when I got into Linux I considered something like a wubi installer, but I decided to read more about it because installing a OS within a completely different OS seemed like a very bad idea.

Just because there is a lot of software out there that doesn't work without serious bugs doesn't mean that you should trust it blindly, or blame another piece of software because another one failed. That is basically what he's doing. He's using a third party installer and blames Linux, a kernel.

The very fact is that this guy has no idea how Linux OS works. He went in expecting it to work like Windows. Whatever this guy have to say about Linux is irrelevant, because he doesn't seem to have any proper experience with it.

It's what you teach your kids, you try the food before you decide if you like it or not.

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Linux users have been struggling with smear campaigns, false facts, arrogance and ignorance since 1991, does he think that people who have used Linux for a long time, and experienced this all the time will pat him on the back?

Don't be silly. You reap what you sow. If these people had approached Linux users with honest criticism and actual facts they would be welcomed.

If you can't take criticism for your opinions or your behavior you shouldn't be in public.

I've been using Linux since 2006, and my bucket of "be nice to ignorant & arrogant assholes" is all but empty.

I won't buy any games using this engine because of his attitude. Had he said that he won't support Linux in a professional way I wouldn't mind.

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