Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: JarmerI'm surprised the Steamdeck team chose KDE for the DE, and not something simpler and less resource heavy like XFCE. Being that it's a battery powered device (sometimes) I would think they'd want to squeeze every single compute cycle they could and isn't KDE the heaviest DE out there?

It's really not surprising. KDE for some reason has the reputation of being a "bloated" desktop environment, but in reality, it's a very mature and well optimized piece of software that is highly configurable.

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Quoting: amataiYeah, Plasma keep breaking thing on my computer so that I don't have to break them I suppose.

I keep giving KDE another chance every few months, but it's just never been a good experience for me. I love a lot of the KDE ecosystem, but for some reason basic stuff that just works in GNOME, like pairing a Bluetooth gamepad or, like, playing audio in Firefox, does not work in KDE on the same machine for no reason I can easily discern. And then, when I go back to GNOME, I have to spend extra time fixing the stuff KDE broke that it shouldn't have been able to break.

I've been using KDE for a long time and I've never had any trouble connecting stuff via Bluetooth or hearing audio in Firefox. And even if I did have such issues, it'd be a given that they wouldn't be KDE problems bur rather a problem with the Bluetooth stack or the device drivers in the former case, and Firefox or the sound stack in the latter; so I'd begin my investigation with them.

Not to mention, if you have both Gnome and KDE installed on the same system and/or sharing configuration folders, if KDE breaks stuff for Gnome then maybe Gnome also breaks stuff for KDE and maybe that's where the root of your problems lies. Have you tried using KDE on a clean system?

Quoting: JarmerI'm surprised the Steamdeck team chose KDE for the DE, and not something simpler and less resource heavy like XFCE. Being that it's a battery powered device (sometimes) I would think they'd want to squeeze every single compute cycle they could and isn't KDE the heaviest DE out there?

Well, apparently they wanted the best balance between technologically advanced, user friendly and flexible; and there is nothing out there that can beat KDE on all these areas at the same time. And no, KDE hasn't been a resource hog since ages (if it ever was in the first place), I've seen metrics that show it as consuming less than 180MB on boot on a fresh system.

Also, XFCE does not (and probably will not in the foreseeable future) support Wayland.

So I was watching a video last night that was suggesting that instead of recommending distributions to potential new users, we should be suggesting the Desktop Environment. I agree partially. Each DE seems to have a 'best in class' distribution behind it.
If you want to suggest Gnome, I would likely show them Fedora or Debian. If you want to show them a customized Gnome, Pop or Ubuntu.
If you want to suggest KDE, maybe OpenSUSE? Or Debian.. I mean Debian is pretty much a good representation of 'this is how the DE looks without customization.' But there are definitely Distros that specialize in specific DEs, so part of the issues with anything related like audio or Bluetooth can come down to the packaging of that DE by that particular distribution's maintainers.

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Quoting: NanobangFlashy, fast, and flexible. Yeah, I can see why Valve might've chosen it for the Steam deck.

I'm strangely thrilled that the Discover upgrade will be including version dates.

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I think knowing a version number may be helpful, but knowing the age of that version is immediately useful when I'm considering a bit of software.

Kudos KDE!

Yeah, I think more and more developers are realizing that arbitrary numbers for their software is kind of pointless. I think that the trend toward YY.MM.patch_level is quite useful. On the other hand, you have people who misinterpret what CentOS was doing with their 7.9.2009... as that's Major.Minor.YYMM. Someone tried to explain to me that they don't have point releases anymore and just use the year/month... Doesn't help that RHEL doesn't follow that versioning... Anyhow, just a bit of a rant as I've ran into this...

Ha, so I'm one who likes to have multiple DEs installed, but I had to remove KDE as my / partition was getting full...

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Quoting: slaapliedjePhones can have that resolution because... why not? But I bet most people don't run them at the high resolution as it eats battery.

Can't say I've come across a phone thats not using the default res of the screen they have nor a way to change it to be honest.

Mine has the high res / high refresh option. (Note 20 Ultra) but I think I've turned it on once, decided the scaling was bad, and turned it off again :P

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Ha, so I pre-ordered it for the PS4 (I would have gotten the PS5 for me and the PS4 version for my brother, but had read for some reason PS4 and PS5 players can't play together... yet.) but of course what happens? My brother's copy shows up on the correct day of launch... mine still says it hasn't shipped, and I literally ordered them back to back, and we are in the same state...

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I'm betting this will finally make companies create games that support game pads! Something that is sorely lacking in the PC gaming space.

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Quoting: whizseTry disabling Steam Input for the game.

I had a similar problem with a racing wheel and a specific game and this made it work.

Oh! That's interesting. But I don't even think mine showed up in the Steam controllers list. But I'll look into it. Thanks!

Steam's input has some odd issues. Like there are for sure times I have to be in Big Picture Mode for all the controller inputs to work right, and other times it is like this, where you have to disable it for the OS level drivers to work.

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Quoting: pete910Realy? No radeon card option !

Also not the prettiest design of lappy. Daft price tag to boot

I'll just skip the screen res as thats just a joke today, Hell my 200 quid phone has better than that!

1) I agree. Seems silly that it is so hard to get an AMD laptop that has both the APU and GPU be Radeon... I just find it odd...
2) Yeah, that is one FAT laptop... even my thick Thinkpad P52 looks more stylish... I haven't looked at the price, afraid to.
3) The resolution... I'm kind of on the fence about. On the one had, I have a 15.6" screen that is 4k. Problem is, not all applications really support some scaling, so they look shit next to other applications. 1080 is probably the appropriate resolution for a gaming laptop and for UI elements to all look consistent. Though most I think is for performance...

Phones can have that resolution because... why not? But I bet most people don't run them at the high resolution as it eats battery.

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Quoting: Corben

Quoting: slaapliedjeLinux needs the Thrustmaster configuration / Scripting stuff ported to it... then I could finally use Linux to play Elite: Dangerous... then again there are some third party tools that make the game a bit more playable that I think may have issues in Wine... maybe one day...

I'm playing Elite: Dangerous with a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X on Linux (at least I have played it a lot, not since the Odyssey update though), works ootb from within the game. Star Wars: Squadrons felt more like keyboard game to me, so I haven't tried it with a Hotas.

This is the setup I have;
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=769637037 [External Link]

With the TARGET profile editor in Windows you can script and do alt button layout combinations. So a lot of buttons are mapped for multiple functions. With Elite, you kind of need that, especially if you're playing in VR.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeAmbermoon was absolutely amazing to see run on the Amiga.

No doubt about that. When viewed in context of the hardware it ran on, I think it's on par with any AAA first person game you can throw at modern systems. But 30 years from now I'll likely still call those games dated :-). For me, 2D graphics age much better than 3D ever will.

Quoting: slaapliedjeOne of these days I'll put mine all together and play it (though with an 060, it should be very smooth).

I played on a stock A500 and what made the biggest difference for me was when I finally got a hard drive. The game read assets from multiple floppies on each area transition, so there was a lot of disk swapping involved and loading times were slow. With that out of the way, it was smooth sailing, even at 8 MHz :-).

Did you ever play Legends of Valor? That was another RPG that had very impressive 3D movement. It was kind of Daggerfall before Daggerfall was a thing. It's amazing even pre-AGA how well such games ran. Granted they pulled a lot of awesome tricks.

I originally played Legends of Valor on my Mega STe. At 16mhz it was rather smooth.

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Quoting: kaiman

Quoting: F.UltraI remember the days when GUI:s used color:

That pretty much changed with Workbench 2.x, however.

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Guess grey never gets old for me :-)

Yeah unfortunately they changed the default to all grey, thankfully there where lots of projects like MagicWB that changed it up a bit:

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I love MagicWB. Still prefer it over the new icons that the 3.1.+/3.2 come with. Do find it awesome that 3.2.1 came out recently.

Amiga lives forever :), I have to fix my A4000 someday, it has the famous leaky battery and have been stored for over 20 years since I found that it leaked so huge change the whole MB is ruined...

Ewww! I have seen some saves for such things, but it usually requires a lot of bodge wires. Even as bad as some of those Amigas with batteries have become, I've still seen worse on some of the old XTs where the battery acid eats through the case and board.

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