Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: MalChromebooks are already great as they are. They're cheap and they can do everything a generalist user need for a tenth of the price of an Apple counterpart.

But if they also start to support steam libraries then there might be a case for buying the premium versions. They would still be cheaper than premium Apple counterparts and able to run more games.

If might help "pure" Linux popularity as well if Chromebooks start to educate people that you don't need to be ripped off by Apple to have a portable pc that actually works. Though, at the same time, ever since Chromebooks I find it harder to justify installing an Ubuntu on a relative's pc given their use case. As opposed to the times when you just had to replace windows with Linux to fix every issue a year old notebook could have, with Chrome OS things just works. In my opinion there are little reasons to "upgrade" to Linux from Chrome OS if your a generic user, gaming being probably the only one until borealis takes it away.

My wife has a Chromebook. And indeed, for her use case it is generally just fine. But a cheap real-Linux box would probably be better. (In theory you can probably stick Linux on my wife's Chromebook, but it looks like it's rather tricky--not like wiping a normal Windows laptop and sticking Linux on it, at all)
The reason has to do with Google's insistence on controlling the experience . . . and the files. This is occasionally irritating in normal use; Chromebooks will let you put a file on the machine itself or into a USB stick or whatever, but they don't want you to and they don't make it easy. Google wants you to be using Google Docs and keeping all your stuff on their cloud. They want you to barely realize your files are anywhere, they certainly don't want you to be controlling them.
This becomes a much bigger problem if something goes wrong . . . which seems to be happening increasingly as the machine gets older and Google want you to buy a new one. A while ago my wife basically lost all her files. The machine had been saying that there would be no more upgrades to the Chrome version on her machine (so she should get a new one), but then something went wrong, and in recovering there was, ironically, some kind of forced upgrade or something, and when the dust settled it had lost her files. They probably exist somewhere on some Google server, but Google said it wasn't able to restore her access or something, so for practical purposes, gone.
There are also occasional annoyances when my wife wants to do something her way rather than Google's way, or wants to do something that's not obviously part of the limited set of things Google has laid out for you to do. This doesn't come up often, but even someone who normally just browses the web, does email and creates a few documents will sometimes want to do something else. On Linux, that means either it's already installed and you check the menus, or you fire up the Software Centre or whatever and install something that does that. On a Chromebook, that means you shrug and do without what you were hoping to do.

So yeah, I think there's still a case for putting a "generic user" on Linux rather than ChromeOS.

That said, this news is still a Good Thing.

Ouch! This is the main reason why I will never trust saving my files to a cloud, and treat it more like a backup than where I would store things. Even then, I prefer to backup to my NAS. Also why I woyld never buy a chromebook, and prefer to just buy cheap thinkpads and throw Linux on them.

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Quoting: WorMzy'gaming laptop' is already an oxymoron, we're going to need a new descriptor for 'gaming chromebook'.

Ha ha! yeah whenever I hear Gaming Laptop, I think "so an overly large chunk of laptop, that you can't ever upgrade, and will be obsolete in a year or two, assuming it doesn't overheat and die sometime before that."

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Quoting: Cyril

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: CyrilI can't watch the video, because blocked in my country... but it seems it's the trailer.
What the issue about it? It's the film itself?

The trailer seems ok to me. Especially annoying was Netflix' US poster, compared to the French one...

https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/netflix-deeply-sorry-for-cuties-poster-after-backlash-for-sexualizing-kids/

Yeah sorry I didn't read all posts when posted my comment. Yeah a lot of people, in France at least (I'm French), have speak about the US poster and mostly disagree with it, but the problem here is that because of this a lot of people simply refused to watch the film but still they spit on it...
As I watched the film, it's a good film and obviously don't deserve the shitstorm IMHO.

But yeah, my final word about it, let's stay of the topic.

I haven't looked at the poster or the movie; but like how can there be a shitstorm about that, yet like all that Japanese animations out there...

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPPrepare for your favourite video game series getting cancelled before the conclusion of the story. Or any conclusion whatsoever.
Can't wait!

I'm only subbing to any of these to watch specific series (or movies) that are already concluded. Anything else just seems to be a waste of time.

I'd play Money Heist as a video game :P but yeah, totally agree about it being canceled before the conclusion :P

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Need Steam on VCS :)

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Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: slaapliedjeWhy would I have to be a distro maintainer to want to have a stable system?

You gave me the impression in this sentence, my bad

Quoting: slaapliedjeBeta means it isn't going to be packaged by most distributions. Some of us don't have time to muck with betas.

Quoting: slaapliedjeNvidia marked their release as beta for a reason. Usually because they want people to test the new features and make sure they're stable before releasing a driver

So? the point is that they're finally showing support to xwayland rather than ignoring it like before, and Nvidia is the only MAJOR factor holding wayland adoption back right now. Once Nvidia drivers properly support it and Ubuntu lts start to use wayland by default, you can expect the adoption to skyrocket by users, and most important, software developers (I mean in use cases where xWayland doesn't serve their needs).

Quoting: slaapliedjeWayland may eventually be the X11 replacement

Already is. No one is maintaining X.org anymore, not even *BSD users who are the most affected by this transition. The only patches x11 are receiving nowadays are for xwayland which different from bare metal x11 actually requires a wayland compositor in order to work.

nah, there have been updates to Xinput stuff as well. They are still releasing updated modules, they just haven't released any major versions of X.org.

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Quoting: kon14Pray tell how you update your ancient, but stable, driver. Do you pin packages from testing/sid or is that also too much of a cheat for you?

Figured I'd create a separate reply to just how shitty this is.

Never pin shit from testing/sid if you want your system to be stable. Also, don't throw random ppa's into your repos. If you have to use a third party repository for something, make sure it is for new packages that don't replace things in your distribution. I've been running mostly Debian in my 24~ years of running Linux, and have broken it many times by many things, while messing with testing/sid. If you're gonna go for the rolling release, and you don't mind some breaks here and there, run Sid. If you want rolling release, but stable, use Testing. If you want something that lasts a few years with security / bug fixes and is rock solid, you use stable. It's as simple as that. If you want rock solid+newer software, you now can use stable+backports.

I run Sid on my desktop, bullseye (testing) in some VMs, and I run Buster on servers. You want ancient, and self-packaged stuff, you run a RHEL based distribution. Debian hasn't been an 'oh, they just have old shit' in them since the last few releases. Just remember, Ubuntu takes Debian Unstable every 6 months and slaps it together for a release. Clearly 'the favorite' must be so much newer than Debian, right?? Just because some Rando on the internet made a name for himself at one point and created a ppa for installing beta nvidia drivers, doesn't mean he isn't still just some rando.

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Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: slaapliedjeBeta means it isn't going to be packaged by most distributions. Some of us don't have time to muck with betas.

Which distro you're maintainer?

Quoting: slaapliedjeNot to mention wayland is still perpetually beta. 😜

"beta" or not, it's the x11 replacement.

Why would I have to be a distro maintainer to want to have a stable system? Nvidia marked their release as beta for a reason. Usually because they want people to test the new features and make sure they're stable before releasing a driver that everyone can enjoy. THIS is the purpose of flagging software as 'beta'. Yes, it means something when a company releases something and tags it as beta. More than just 'hey distribution creators, don't include this in your distributions.'

If I feel like testing it, I'll test it. I have other projects I'm working on though, and need my computer to not do random things.

Wayland may eventually be the X11 replacement, but until they can get the stability, driver support, and feature parity with Xorg, then it simply doesn't work for some people and won't replace X11. It's as simple as that.

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Quoting: whizse

Quoting: BielFPsFinally Very Nice, now we just need the main distros Debian / Ubuntu lts / Fedora / Arch to default to Wayland sessions, and we are good to go :)

Actually, for Debian this happened with the Buster release, back in 2019.

Yeah, I think it detects if you are running nvidia, and if you are, would default to Xorg. If not, you get Wayland.

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Quoting: kon14

Quoting: slaapliedjeMeans me, as a user, may not wish to muck with a non-distribution driver.

Except distros often package these in their official repos as testing packages.

Quoting: slaapliedjeI am sure once it is marked Stable...

rofl man, if your distro flair is any indication then you'd be stuck with nvidia-driver-418.197.02-1 according to Debian Buster's package indexing.

Pray tell how you update your ancient, but stable, driver. Do you pin packages from testing/sid or is that also too much of a cheat for you?

Where I need stable (my server) I enable backports. Not that I use any special driver outside of a kernel one there.

Even if I did, it is at 460. https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/nvidia-driver

Also, outside of a few features here and there, do you NEED the latest driver? Really only for newer hardware support.

By the way, the 470 driver is in experimental, so if I want to grab it on my desktop, (which runs sid with a few things pulled from experimental) I can do that. Do I have the patience for it coming into sid or backports? Yup, sure do. Was there a point in time when I would have removed the Debian installed driver and just installed it straight off of nvidia.com, or had to compile a shim for other GPUs? Yes. It just isn't something I have time for these days. Haha, people make me laugh. When I started using Linux, XFree86 wasn't even compiled for some of the distributions, Xorg wasn't even a thing for Wayland to "be so much better!" And the kenrnel was just barely getting to 2.0, I remember being excited for 2.0. Then 2.2 was supposed to save the world...

Maybe I am just old and crusty and prefer a working system, and not having to deal with black screens anymore.

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