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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: slaapliedjeThen you have OpenSuse, which is both old, and and been around a long time. But at the same time, what distributions are based upon it?

Maybe because it is already awesome and any change would impair it 😄

openSUSE did go through pretty big changes fairly recently, and with successful results. The SUSE company seems to be doing very well also, after a long period of uncertainty.

There's a kind of 'spin' on openSUSE called 'Gecko Linux', which isn't really (& doesn't claim to be) a derived distro or anything; but I've heard really good things about it, re: the default repo/package selection, settings, etc.

I've decided to go back to Tumbleweed last week, and I think I'll stay here for the foreseeable future. I wanted to switch (back to) KDE; & Fedora caused a bunch of mysterious lock-ups; so I used that as an excuse to distro hop again. I've used Tumbleweed on and off ever since it came out; IMHO, it's what any rolling distro should aspire to be. (Seriously, it's got all of Arch's advantages, and none of its BS.)

OpenSUSE is.. different. It's one of the more unique distributions, how they handle repositories, and their default choices. Then you have Yast, something that everyone thinks they need, until they get further into configuring a Linux machine, and then decide it's not something they want. Been a while since I tested it out (maybe a year), but due to a previous job and the nightmare of it... I tend to stay away.

Yeah I don't like yast either; in fact I think it complicates things needlessly. I remember yast's defaults getting in the way of my manually edited config files in the past; though I'm happy to report that this time around it looks like I've successfully ignored it altogether. (It may have been a decrease in my linux-stupidity, or the fact that they ironed out some bugs.) But at least for non-professional use (I'm aware that using this stuff for *work* introduces complexities that simply don't exist when one is dicking around at his own leisure), I really don't think differences between openSUSE & the redhat/debian/arch families are significantly greater than the differences that already obtain between those families. (& nowadays they're all alternative interfaces to systemd anyhow. :woot:)

For the most part, the difference between distributions are as follows.
1) how much software they package, and their package format.
2) their network configuration (Would be nice if they'd standardize on one. Debian's networking configs kind of suck and are annoying when you're used to Redhat based systems)
3) which non-repo / 'universal' package 'stores' are enabled by default (like Ubuntu has Snap vs everyone else either has flatpak or neither enabled by default)
4) yast (which seems to be a Suse only thing, everyone else gave up on trying to do some sort of control panel, unless they use webmin or something, but that's not a default thing)

I probably missed some.

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I think we need a bunch of FujiNet equipped Ataris playing this!

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: slaapliedjeThen you have OpenSuse, which is both old, and and been around a long time. But at the same time, what distributions are based upon it?

Maybe because it is already awesome and any change would impair it 😄

openSUSE did go through pretty big changes fairly recently, and with successful results. The SUSE company seems to be doing very well also, after a long period of uncertainty.

There's a kind of 'spin' on openSUSE called 'Gecko Linux', which isn't really (& doesn't claim to be) a derived distro or anything; but I've heard really good things about it, re: the default repo/package selection, settings, etc.

I've decided to go back to Tumbleweed last week, and I think I'll stay here for the foreseeable future. I wanted to switch (back to) KDE; & Fedora caused a bunch of mysterious lock-ups; so I used that as an excuse to distro hop again. I've used Tumbleweed on and off ever since it came out; IMHO, it's what any rolling distro should aspire to be. (Seriously, it's got all of Arch's advantages, and none of its BS.)

OpenSUSE is.. different. It's one of the more unique distributions, how they handle repositories, and their default choices. Then you have Yast, something that everyone thinks they need, until they get further into configuring a Linux machine, and then decide it's not something they want. Been a while since I tested it out (maybe a year), but due to a previous job and the nightmare of it... I tend to stay away.

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Quoting: BogomipsWell python 2 disappeared so check the possible side effects (like DisplayCal that is almost out of all the linux distros now, colord-kde can help at least to put back your icc profiles).

But so far so good for me. And more devices are now detected.

At least, DisplayCAL is available as Flatpak [External Link] so we can continue colour calibration while waiting for (hopefully) python 3 rewrite.

Ha, I tried a python2 to python3 conversion page that actually seemed to work on this script I found for downloading the Amiga WHDLoad archive. It 'almost' worked, but was complaining about some UTF-8 character. I think the fix was a bad file in my already downloaded list.

But yeah, python2 is dead.

I still can't get my sogo and apache2 to play nice, otherwise the upgrade from buster to bullseye went relatively smoothly.

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Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: Eike... just without the security fixes. Oh man, I hate this trend.

Unless we have official support from them, which I find it odd that we don't have this partnership yet between Valve and those third parties, considering that Steam is one of the most famous stories of the world.

I should have elaborated a bit: Of course, Electron doesn't make security fixes impossible. It's just, when I have one browser, and a bug is found, I update the browser and the problem is fixed. When I got a browser and additionally its components are delivered with a dozen of programs, and then a problem is found, I update the browser, maybe half of the devs using electron are updating their stuff, I update those as well... and I'm left with a half a dozen copies of the problem - now known to every black hat interested in it.

A rather famous Electron app is Teams. And I don't want to be non-PC here... but I am fairly certain it is designed by a bunch of retarded morons. They somehow managed to break copy/paste functionality within code blocks. How do you even go about breaking something that has been an OS function since Windows 95? It does it in the browser 'web qpp' even.

They are supposedly rewriting it in Edge... which of course they are, they have to try to force people to use their new browser somehow...

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Quoting: GuestAm I the only one wonder how this adds up to Linux Gaming except of being a Linux distro? o.O

There were just articles for Elementary OS and ZorinOS and now you're asking about this?
Liam always does articles on distros. Often DEs as well. I guess they're what you play games on. And also Liam does not restrict himself--he's always said if he wants to do an article about N, he'll do an article about N. And there's nothing we can do to stop him! Bwahahaha!!!

Well Leap 15.3 he did not cover but yes when reading post abut other DEs or Distros I questioning the same as well :D

And no I don't want to stop anyone in doing what someone likes sorry if this delivered a different message as I intended :/

It's kind of interesting what is picked to be reported about. On the one hand Elementary OS and ZorinOS are trying to do something different, rather than 'just another KDE or Gnome' distribution.

Debian is of course the old die hard. One of the few original Linux distributions that are still being developed/released.

Then you have OpenSuse, which is both old, and and been around a long time. But at the same time, what distributions are based upon it? I'm sure there are some, but besides SLES, I can't think of any. These days it seems it's mostly Debian -> Ubuntu -> Everything else or Arch Linux -> a bunch. Granted the same could be said of RHEL, not much is based on that either (well of course they created their own competitors by taking out CentOS...

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Quoting: slaapliedjeStill not understanding why Pop_OS is considered 'gaming-centric'.
You aren't the only one who says this though. Seriously, Pop just comes with System76 laptops, and is basically a workstation attempt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCQDAXyNkCo [External Link] This dude says the same thing... baffles me. It isn't like they default install steam, scummvm, dosbox, etc.

I guess it isn't, I haven't tried it myself (I'm the typical Debian user, last time I tried out different distributions and compiled my own kernels was in the last millennia, when I also had OS/2 Warp 4 and BeOS installed). From Wikipedia: "It is regarded as an easy distribution to set up for gaming, mainly due to its built-in GPU support."

Ha, I guess. I mean you have an nvidia iso and an intel iso. Wonder what changed at what point in time, as it used to be that distributions couldn't distribute the nvidia driver (which is why it generally isn't pre-installed or 'detected and installed' really much of any place.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: GuestAm I the only one wonder how this adds up to Linux Gaming except of being a Linux distro? o.O

There were just articles for Elementary OS and ZorinOS and now you're asking about this?
Liam always does articles on distros. Often DEs as well. I guess they're what you play games on. And also Liam does not restrict himself--he's always said if he wants to do an article about N, he'll do an article about N. And there's nothing we can do to stop him! Bwahahaha!!!

Well Leap 15.3 he did not cover but yes when reading post abut other DEs or Distros I questioning the same as well :D

And no I don't want to stop anyone in doing what someone likes sorry if this delivered a different message as I intended :/

Ha, I mean it could be construed as most distros have a sort of 6 month release cycle, so when they release a new one, it's a bit more meh than say Debian that releases once every couple of years.

Then again, Debian does try for the 'universal operating system' more than a sleek installer, easy of use (though it is easy to use). So for some it's not that exciting of a release. Most don't understand that the most popular distributions are, at their core, Debian systems though.

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Quoting: Lightkey

Quoting: GuestAm I the only one wonder how this adds up to Linux Gaming except of being a Linux distro? o.O

Edit: Or because it's what most distros a based on including those often used for gaming?

Debian is currently the sixth-most popular distribution among GamingOnLinux readers, ahead of gaming-centric Pop!_OS, for reference.

Still not understanding why Pop_OS is considered 'gaming-centric'.
You aren't the only one who says this though. Seriously, Pop just comes with System76 laptops, and is basically a workstation attempt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCQDAXyNkCo [External Link] This dude says the same thing... baffles me. It isn't like they default install steam, scummvm, dosbox, etc.

Quoting: NanobangI tried Deb 11 XFCE on my lappy just last week, as a matter of fact. I was enjoying it until it came time to install a proper Nvidia driver, and I balked. Eek! Back to Mint Uma --- le sigh.

PS Deb kidz: Is there no straightforward, reasonably simple way to manage Nvidia drivers?

 
su -
sed -i s/main/main\ contrib\ non\-free\/g /etc/apt/sources.list
apt update
apt install nvidia-driver
reboot
There you go.

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Quoting: NanobangI tried Deb 11 XFCE on my lappy just last week, as a matter of fact. I was enjoying it until it came time to install a proper Nvidia driver, and I balked. Eek! Back to Mint Uma --- le sigh.

PS Deb kidz: Is there no straightforward, reasonably simple way to manage Nvidia drivers?

Add non-free and contrib to your apt sources line, apt update, apt install nvidia-drivers. Really pretty easy.

So usually there are a few weird things that catch you when you upgrade a debian box from stable to q new stable... I did my server yesterday and outside of mariadb-server package being removed... hostapd went nuts and wouldn't work. Tons of updates to that package, and weirdly to finally get it to work right qgain... I had to plug in a usb wifi I had laying around, force a scan on it... then the frequency for the PCIe one would finally scan... so annoying.

Of course trying to find one of the newer AX ones that support AP mode at 5ghz is going to be a pain...

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