Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: CatKillerThe demo units they gave to journalists already had the bookmark made.

Nice to know Valve is somewhat worried about it this time, I hope this doesn't involve too much typing with those controls (I don't remember if it's touch screen).

But personally I still expect to some kind of dedicated app (and maybe even inside steam client in the future, who knows...)

This is one of the things I really hate about Android / Mobile devices. There's an app for everything... including things you'd just normally use a web browser for.

I never use the YouTube app (for example) as you can't use ublock to block the ads :P

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: CatKillerIt's just visiting Netflix with Steam's built-in browser and adding a bookmark.

For you and me sure, but users will expect something similar to a android app. So you can expect someone to built an electron app with a shinny N icon on it (or maybe a flatpak), which in practice it's the same thing :tongue:

The demo units they gave to journalists already had the bookmark made.

Well that's a good thing, then.

Oops, I posted too soon. But yes, it just needs a bookmark...

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Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThat last bit is one question mark I still have about this device, actually.
Well, I mean, it's a PC--obviously in general, in the abstract, you can install third party apps (and OSes!) on it. But I'm talking, certain popular third-party things like Netflix, with an absolute minimum of effort, in ways that are downright user-subservient.

You can expect youtubers making videos like "HOW TO INSTALL NETFLIX IN YOUR STEAMDECK!!!" which in practice is just they teaching how to get through some aur package.

Personally I'm ok with that, This way only people interested in tweaking the device will mess with this part, and can encourage users (who are willing to) to learn something from Linux as result.

And of course, giving a hypothetical success scenario, third party companies will start to support those apps officially.

Netflix seems to work through BPM's browser... so there's that.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: slaapliedjeHow stable is replacing KDE from an outside repo working out?

I've been using his repos for KDE for a while on Debian testing and it works very well. He makes sure it's compatible with Debian repos, so newer version in main repo will supersede his if that ever happens.

Ha, well the day that Bullseye releases, I've already had almost 80 packages updated on my desktop (Debian Sid). This one included.

Get:16 http://deb.debian.org/debian [External Link] sid/main amd64 gnome-user-docs all 40.4-1 [6,568 kB]

So I'm betting within the next week or so, Sid will have both the new KDE and Gnome.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: IzaicToo bad it's already running an ancient version of KDE Plasma.

I'm using Debian testing with these repos and have Plasma 5.22.4 now:

deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/other-deps/Debian_Testing/ ./
deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/frameworks/Debian_Testing/ ./
deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/plasma522/Debian_Testing/ ./
deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/apps2104/Debian_Testing/ ./
deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/other/Debian_Testing/ ./

Norbert is packaging Plasma for Debian and provides newest version from this OBS repos. You can follow his updates here [External Link].

Wow, that dude has a lot of hate for Gnome 3! How stable is replacing KDE from an outside repo working out? I'm not really a KDE user, when I want to play with it on occasion I tend to install it in Arch though to play with the latest to see if they've fixed the things that bug me about it (and tend to use it for a day or two then go back to gnome).

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Quoting: t3gIf you are a gamer, it is still better to stick with with Ubuntu/Pop_OS or Manjaro due to the udpated kernels and work into MESA that you will miss from Debian being locked down for 2 more years. You can always go with the Testing or SID branch though. If you want that bleeding edge, may as well just do Manjaro.

When Ubuntu is based on the Debian Sid branch.. :)

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@Liam
I have to ask, at what point do you just start making posts that say 'This game does not work in Proton or Native'? Ha, I mean it's getting to the point where a warning that something is unlikely to work vs all the 'this works now, and this works now!' Yup, I think we've finally gotten to the point where if it doesn't work in Wine, it'll work in Proton. Sure there are still the few stragglers here and there. And those that are 'well it works, you just have to do some sourcery...' but could you even imagine being at this stage when Steam first landed on Linux? Or like in 2010? It's insanely good progress.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Whitewolfe80Think the issue was Ubuntu licence meant that valve corpnwould have to pay or partner with conical and that was never going to happen.

Some of the things happened after Valve had already gone with Debian, but lets recap weird things we've heard Ubuntu / canonical do over the years.

1) talk about dropping 32bit
2) forcing packages to be installed from their own snap repos instead of deb packages or others (even going so far as to make 'apt install chromium' install the snap.)
3) they used to (still do?) Enable experimental hardware support in their kernels.)
4) work on Unity instead of devoting development effort toward Gnome.
5) work on Mir instead of devoting development time to Wayland.

I am sure there are more.

Oh yeah I remember the amazon deal they had too but and i know debian does too but ubuntu has a large commerical arm well large in terms of linux commerical arms and valve chosing them after battering microsoft for closed wall eco system and that forced snap packages is the linux version of that.

Yeah, what Ubuntu did with Amazon was integrate it into their shell (gnome or unity) so that when you went for a search for say 'browser' it would see if there was anything on Amazon you might like to buy... Very intrusive and I'm not sure if they ever removed it, or just changed it into an opt-in instead of an opt-out.

My previous post is perhaps what you think about Debian doing something similar? Valve didn't chose Ubuntu, at least not for SteamOS, they chose Debian. On the other hand, for the 'supported' games on Steam, they usually picked Ubuntu as that's where they pulled their static libraries from. And developers and Valve had to just pick, and as Ubuntu is/was the most popular desktop distribution, that's what the requirements usually list.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Whitewolfe80Oh yeah I remember the amazon deal they had too but and i know debian does too but ubuntu has a large commerical arm

What is Debian doing too??

Ha, the only thing I've ever seen Debian ASK to do, is the popularity contest during the install. I recall a few years ago someone was making a stink about it like it was new, and claimed it was some telemetry thing for advertising. It literally just sends a thing saying 'these packages are installed' and if more people enabled them, they could tell which packages should get more support.

Makes me wonder if Ubuntu maybe used that information to determine what is in main vs universe / multiverse nonsense? Another reason I like Debian over Ubuntu. The repositories actually make sense and aren't some random thing about what is chosen to be a supported package or not.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Think the issue was Ubuntu licence meant that valve corpnwould have to pay or partner with conical and that was never going to happen.

Some of the things happened after Valve had already gone with Debian, but lets recap weird things we've heard Ubuntu / canonical do over the years.

1) talk about dropping 32bit
2) forcing packages to be installed from their own snap repos instead of deb packages or others (even going so far as to make 'apt install chromium' install the snap.)
3) they used to (still do?) Enable experimental hardware support in their kernels.)
4) work on Unity instead of devoting development effort toward Gnome.
5) work on Mir instead of devoting development time to Wayland.

I am sure there are more.

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