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Quoting: Scoopta

Quoting: orochi_kyoLOL, its funny to see people happy or fine with a dev lying straight to their faces.
"At least they didnt hide", you say. So lying is any better?
So they didnt know Linux has many distros before promising a linux version?
Its obvious they use the linux thing to get more crowdfunding money, when they have to deal with reality, they just leave the boat as the rats they are.
Devs should only support Ubuntu, yeah it sound elitist, but its better so devs stop bullshitting to their backers with the "too many distros" pretext. Also having two linux distros on your computer isnt rocket science.
I recommend linux backers to ask for a refund, take that money to a more serious developer.

I agree that devs should pick one distro and not worry about the rest however I think the real solution should be making the steam runtime a full container environment so nothing but the kernel from the underlying system is used. That would fix all of these issues as devs could target that container.

Dont they already do that though pretty much every linux dev says just target steam run time libaries then it run on everything linux, Back on topic here though am fairly certain it will run on proton no problem given its using stock engine with custom art assets. I was looking forward to it but broken port promise means ill never buy it.

Steam adds a whole bunch of libraries into the LD_LIBRARY_PATH but devs can opt to use system libraries and any libraries not included in steam end up provided by the system anyway. I think moving steam to flatpak or containerizing steam games would fix the issues. It would also make steam larger as it would have to include every dependency a game needed but it's the only way to fix some of these issues.

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Quoting: orochi_kyoLOL, its funny to see people happy or fine with a dev lying straight to their faces.
"At least they didnt hide", you say. So lying is any better?
So they didnt know Linux has many distros before promising a linux version?
Its obvious they use the linux thing to get more crowdfunding money, when they have to deal with reality, they just leave the boat as the rats they are.
Devs should only support Ubuntu, yeah it sound elitist, but its better so devs stop bullshitting to their backers with the "too many distros" pretext. Also having two linux distros on your computer isnt rocket science.
I recommend linux backers to ask for a refund, take that money to a more serious developer.

I agree that devs should pick one distro and not worry about the rest however I think the real solution should be making the steam runtime a full container environment so nothing but the kernel from the underlying system is used. That would fix all of these issues as devs could target that container.

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Quoting: DragunovMy Top 5 Requests:

1. Path of Exile

2. Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction(With added Widescreen Support)

3. Bless Online(Free to Play MMORPG)

4. TES: Skyrim and/or TES: Oblivion

5. Command & Conquer Generals: Zero Hour

Some Honorable Mentions:

The Elder Scrolls Online
Monster Hunter: World
Starcraft: Brood War
Paladins
Grand Theft Auto V
Final Fantasy 8
Warface
Warframe

I wish ESO would happen but I think that's super unrealistic. It's an MMO. The complexity of those things is mind boggling and I don't think feral has done any other project on that scale. Not to mention any minor change that could cause compatibility problems would have to be released on both Windows and Linux simultaneously to be useable.

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Am I the only one who still wants Skyrim? Actually...Dishonored 2 would be nice.

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Quoting: Rolu

Quoting: liju

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Quoting: Scoopta

Quoting: lijuThats a good news. Hopefully they can run it under Linux and give a hint about it to the audience ( ;

If you mean run the tournament under Linux I doubt it. I'd love to see that but they don't really do it. Just look at DotA 2 TI. That is run on Windows 10. The machines that are played on are Windows 10, the machines that run OBS for the streams run Windows 10. I just don't see them using Linux for artifact.

i didn't know this... bad :(

I also was not aware about this. Valve is commited to Linux, Linux is capable more than ever to run such tournament. Looks to me like just some kind of miscommunication or oversight inside Valve. It would be really good promotion and expression of their dedication to Linux if they switch.

For Dota and CSGO I can understand because players intensively rely on their keyboard and mouse configurations and you want their setup to be as close as what they play 12 hours a day on. These guys are like pro athlete in terms of muscle memory.

That being said, for a card game no one cares about APM.

I still think they should use Linux. A lot of mice can have stuff like their DPI saved to their firmware and I can't imagine macros are allowed so I can't think of any other config the players would need outside of the physical hardware itself. The other thing Valve could do is push the players to use Linux on their practice PCs but honestly I don't think the OS should matter that much.

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Quoting: PJSad news - as an Xcom fan I've been looking forward to this one.

Quoting: ScooptaI think the real solution to this problem is making steam behave more like flatpak.

+1 . Atm I'm using Steam through Flatpak and all the issues I've had because of Steam runtime / different libraries etc are gone. Smoothest Steam experience I've had. IMO if Steam would back it up officially and embraced this form of packaging we would be in far better shape (not only in terms of gaming).

I actually meant have steam run all games in it's own containerized environment although getting rid of the debian package and replacing it with a flatpak would also fix issues.

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Quoting: GustyGhost

Quoting: ScooptaI'm trying to make out what your profile picture says. Is convenience the left stand?

Yup. I had to whip that up in a rush since my last masterpiece of an avatar got nanny-state'd by the resident snowflakes. Maybe I should reframe the shot for readability.

I'm now curious as to what your old avatar was lol.

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: PatolaLike the need to support different distributions: Yeah, in theory you could just support Ubuntu and be ok with that, but it doesn't work in practice: linuxers from other distributions -- at least some of them -- demand equal treatment. (...) Maybe the developers get so much feedback on that that they feel having an unified linux build is an impossible task.

No, it is bullshit. No one, EVER supports a distribution. They support a certain set of libraries, like SDL2. If they make a port that is properly working on Ubuntu, chances are it can work on any other distro, either out of the box or with some tinkering.
(...)
This is just a bullshit excuse. No game on Linux has ever officially supported anything other than Ubuntu, or SteamOS which is essentially a customized Ubuntu. And this has never been a problem outside of a few specific broken ports.

It being bullshit or not does not matter. We can argue all we want but what matters is the developer's perceptions about that. And just stating it is bullshit with the best of explanations does not seem to be having any effect. The very fact that we have the Solus Project for maximizing compatibility and a whole page of workarounds on arch clearly shows that there are lots of cases where it is indeed a problem.

I don't know how it could be clearer than that. Almost every developer that bails out of Linux says that the variety of distros is one of the reasons. We have many documented games with utter incompatibilities amongst distros and even different releases of the same distro. Do you think insisting there is no problem to be addressed here will get us anywhere?

I think the real solution to this problem is making steam behave more like flatpak. Steam already does this to an extent by shipping a whole bunch of libraries from ubuntu and adding its runtime folder to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH but I think it should go even further. I think like flatpak it should basically run games in a steam controlled container and that way devs can just target that. Distros aren't going away and they're not going to become more uniform or friendly so I think it's sort of on valve to fix this unless developers decide they don't mind dealing with it or just stop caring about breakages anywhere other than SteamOS.

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Quoting: GustyGhostecho "Snapshot Games" >> ~/List_of_cancer_developers.txt

No Brakes Games
Thing Trunk
Snapshot Games

I'm trying to make out what your profile picture says. Is convenience the left stand?

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Quoting: PlayX

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: PlayX

Quoting: Patola..or SteamOS which is essentially a customized Ubuntu.

SteamOS has nothing to do with Ubuntu

They are both Debian based. And SteamOS is based on exactly the same versions UbuntuLTS is based on. I am pretty sure SteamOS is more or less Ubuntu for all intends and purposes... Well it does not have the same desktop theme, i give you that...

wait. Ubuntu is Debian based, SteamOS is Debian based, and because of this SteamOS is Ubuntu based :huh:

Ubuntu really isn't Debian based. It does indeed use the Debian .deb package format and the apt package manager but the repos are entirely different. SteamOS is not based on Ubuntu at all but rather straight Debian.

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