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Xfce 4.20 desktop released with experimental Wayland support
18 Dec 2024 at 12:54 am UTC Likes: 1
18 Dec 2024 at 12:54 am UTC Likes: 1
Quoting: JahimselfVersion number does sound special for some reason ;)... well, if you're jah-himself, you'd know, through rastaman, of course.
Xfce 4.20 desktop released with experimental Wayland support
17 Dec 2024 at 8:16 pm UTC
17 Dec 2024 at 8:16 pm UTC
In any case, I'm reminded by this ~1 year old article, which is a measured take on where Wayland is lagging behind, and what criticisms its developers should take seriously --
https://blog.tenstral.net/2024/01/wayland-really-breaks-things-just-for-now.html [External Link]
-- the comments section is pretty depressing though, with people putting words in his mouth. I get that there's *plenty* of BS hurled at Wayland, but not every criticism is badly informed/in bad faith.
https://blog.tenstral.net/2024/01/wayland-really-breaks-things-just-for-now.html [External Link]
-- the comments section is pretty depressing though, with people putting words in his mouth. I get that there's *plenty* of BS hurled at Wayland, but not every criticism is badly informed/in bad faith.
Xfce 4.20 desktop released with experimental Wayland support
17 Dec 2024 at 7:31 pm UTC
When it works properly, though -- just put firefox and thunderbird in their respective desktops/positions, don't open 50 empty terminal windows, etc. -- it's a useful feature.
17 Dec 2024 at 7:31 pm UTC
Quoting: BlackBloodRumMaybe you turn them off because they don't work reliably? That's why I also (grudgingly) turn them off -- same with search indexing. (I remember being smitten by how well Spotlight search worked on OS X, back in 2007 ... file search on GNOME *or* KDE still isn't at the same level.)Quoting: wvstolzingEnd users not interested in scripting are also bitten by this, because they get frustrated that the desktop is unable to remember which window went where, when restarting a session.I swear, I feel like I'm the only linux user whom regardless of the desktop environment heads into the settings to find and disable and session saving features. :whistle:
Literally the first thing I do. I consider every reboot a new session, so I don't like things opened up from last time automatically. :dizzy:
I know, I'm weird.
When it works properly, though -- just put firefox and thunderbird in their respective desktops/positions, don't open 50 empty terminal windows, etc. -- it's a useful feature.
Xfce 4.20 desktop released with experimental Wayland support
17 Dec 2024 at 6:49 pm UTC Likes: 1
Similarly, in terms of scriptability, although a *lot* of progress has been made, some bits of the system remain opaque to outside programs because the required extensions haven't been approved yet -- I'm not talking about obvious security hazards like key logging, but simple things like making the virtual desktop #, and the window placement info 'public'. End users not interested in scripting are also bitten by this, because they get frustrated that the desktop is unable to remember which window went where, when restarting a session.
... also, as a side note, the systemd 'bloat' argument never really had much of a basis, because the system is very modular, and it's easy to configure the modules separately. Nowadays I might be especially biased towards systemd, because after wasting months on the gobject interface to dbus, I started using the sdbus functions provided by libsystemd directly and it's a million times easier to use. So, now my little remote controlled pdf viewer on glfw has libsystemd for a dependency, but I couldn't care less -- it works a lot better, and I get to maintain my sanity.
17 Dec 2024 at 6:49 pm UTC Likes: 1
Quoting: Purple Library GuyIn terms of graphics programming one serious frustration with Wayland is that renderdoc, the opengl/vulkan debugger, doesn't work properly on it -- and IIRC, the developer is waiting for some specific extension to get approved before he can finish the port.Quoting: clatterfordslimThe question is why are Xfce going with Wayland?Because they want to still be used on computers in a few years?
There are still a fair number of users saying "X11 is fine just keep using it" but as far as I can tell there are no actual coders saying that. Wayland is coming, slowly but it is, and that's pretty much that. It's not like SystemD where there were noticeable numbers of actual coders wanting to do something different, who for all I know may still be working away at alternative lighter-weight not-SystemD stuff that may actually work for some people. When Wayland is seriously ready, as far as I can figure distros will be gleefully hucking X11 through a window.
Similarly, in terms of scriptability, although a *lot* of progress has been made, some bits of the system remain opaque to outside programs because the required extensions haven't been approved yet -- I'm not talking about obvious security hazards like key logging, but simple things like making the virtual desktop #, and the window placement info 'public'. End users not interested in scripting are also bitten by this, because they get frustrated that the desktop is unable to remember which window went where, when restarting a session.
... also, as a side note, the systemd 'bloat' argument never really had much of a basis, because the system is very modular, and it's easy to configure the modules separately. Nowadays I might be especially biased towards systemd, because after wasting months on the gobject interface to dbus, I started using the sdbus functions provided by libsystemd directly and it's a million times easier to use. So, now my little remote controlled pdf viewer on glfw has libsystemd for a dependency, but I couldn't care less -- it works a lot better, and I get to maintain my sanity.
Xfce 4.20 desktop released with experimental Wayland support
16 Dec 2024 at 9:34 am UTC
16 Dec 2024 at 9:34 am UTC
I don’t think it does virtual desktops with labwc still; but when it does, labwc is as good a replacement for xfwm as any, IMHO.
labwc itself can do virtual desktops; there’s a desktop switcher, a 'send window to desktop' function, and the window switcher is aware of windows only in the current desktop – but I can’t figure out how to query window-per-desktop information programmatically otherwise.
waybar, wlrctl, as well as xfce-panel don’t seem to have access to that info either. Still waiting for accomodations with respect to some wayland extension, I suppose.
xfce-panel *used to* have some restrictions wrt plugins; but all the core applications on Xfce have been ported to Gtk3 a long time ago, so they all work just fine on Wayland.
labwc itself can do virtual desktops; there’s a desktop switcher, a 'send window to desktop' function, and the window switcher is aware of windows only in the current desktop – but I can’t figure out how to query window-per-desktop information programmatically otherwise.
waybar, wlrctl, as well as xfce-panel don’t seem to have access to that info either. Still waiting for accomodations with respect to some wayland extension, I suppose.
xfce-panel *used to* have some restrictions wrt plugins; but all the core applications on Xfce have been ported to Gtk3 a long time ago, so they all work just fine on Wayland.
I will admit I had a nerdgasm at the portable pilet mini consoles from soulscircuit
4 Dec 2024 at 9:15 pm UTC
There are similar projects, by the way, (and open-source 'flip phones' based on the RPi Zero) many of which involve soldering the keyboard assembly, sourcing the display, 3d printing the case, etc. (even fanciful 'cyberdeck [External Link]' type things [External Link] ); this one looks like it's for people who want the device 'just to work', and I hope they succeed.
4 Dec 2024 at 9:15 pm UTC
Quoting: JarmerOMG I want that one with the keyboard. It even has an ETHERNET PORT!!!!!!!!!!& it's gigabit ethernet because it's a complete Raspberry Pi 5 inside.
There are similar projects, by the way, (and open-source 'flip phones' based on the RPi Zero) many of which involve soldering the keyboard assembly, sourcing the display, 3d printing the case, etc. (even fanciful 'cyberdeck [External Link]' type things [External Link] ); this one looks like it's for people who want the device 'just to work', and I hope they succeed.
DXVK-Sarek for old GPUs v1.10.4 released
3 Dec 2024 at 8:17 pm UTC Likes: 2
3 Dec 2024 at 8:17 pm UTC Likes: 2
Quoting: whizseAround here, the only sarek is the one we eat :tongue:
DXVK-Sarek for old GPUs v1.10.4 released
3 Dec 2024 at 2:32 pm UTC Likes: 6
3 Dec 2024 at 2:32 pm UTC Likes: 6
Great name for a project to support older Vulkan versions.
GOG's Black Friday Sale is live now with some big discounts
27 Nov 2024 at 5:08 pm UTC Likes: 1
27 Nov 2024 at 5:08 pm UTC Likes: 1
Metro Exodus has gone lower on steam before ... so I guess I'll wait for that; or rather -- for this year's Christmas giveaways at the Epic Store.
Half-Life 2 free to keep until November 18th, Episodes One & Two now included with a huge update
17 Nov 2024 at 6:29 pm UTC Likes: 2
I've had a very difficult time, because of this, finishing HL2 proper, and didn't play the 2 episodes at all. If they've fixed the problem in the meantime, I actually would like to play the episodes.
Portal uses the same engine, AFAIK; and I don't get motion sickness in Portal at all. Maybe it's because Portal mostly takes place 'indoors', in smaller environments? It's really strange
17 Nov 2024 at 6:29 pm UTC Likes: 2
Quoting: CaldathrasThat being said, if I can work around the vertigo, I've got Half-Life 2 now.Unfortunately HL2 has a reputation for inducing awful motion sickness. In my experience, it's worse than any other first person game; and adjusting the FOV doesn't seem to help either.
I've had a very difficult time, because of this, finishing HL2 proper, and didn't play the 2 episodes at all. If they've fixed the problem in the meantime, I actually would like to play the episodes.
Portal uses the same engine, AFAIK; and I don't get motion sickness in Portal at all. Maybe it's because Portal mostly takes place 'indoors', in smaller environments? It's really strange
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