Quoting: elmapulpeople asked about licencing cost...
so long as developing proton is more expensive than developing their own linux distro, i dont see why valve would charge for anything, the biggest the marketshare the more advantage for then.

IIRC this is (one of the) reason(s) which brought down MS tablets with WindowsRT (and also their whole smartphone business): MS was greedy and charged manufacturers "some" licence fees (most probably not small) for each copy of windows on tablets and smartphones, which - in turn - raised the costs to manufacture these devices, which - in turn - raised prices of MS devices on the market. And they just were more expensive than their Android counterparts...

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Quoting: nebadon2025Is this an official partnership with valve for SteamOS or are they just making their own image and calling it SteamOS? I feel like if there is no official partnering with Valve on this that its probably not going to go as well as it could.

Well I keep thinking: if the device runs on a similar (or almost the same) hardware, would not SteamOS "just run" on it?
If the answer is "yes", then they might not even need to create their own modified image version, right?

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Quoting: Liam DaweThey give a nice interface and a way to grab them, but they're still dependent on whatever packaging system they have linked in behind them

Just a small side note (and apologies for being a techgrammarnazi):
Snap and flatpack are not just packaging mechanisms, but these are rather app containerization techs. And this makes them a bit different from rpm/deb/aur/whichever older packaging system.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanualRight, so native applications for ChromeOS can run on Linux, because native applications for ChromeOS are written for Linux, meant to be used in containers.

Well, I guess ChromeOS is a Linux distribution then.

Yes, from the binaries perspective, this is the most correct description.

ChromeOS actually IS Linux for ARM, since some developers disected it some years ago and extracted a widevine*.so (Chrome DRM) library from it and hacked this very same binary library back to RPi Linux(es), and thus enabled DRM content streaming (Spotify, Netflix, etc...) on ARM Linux on RPi.

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Quoting: JarmerMan, a blast from the past! I think this is very near the bottom of my wishlist on steam when sorted by "date added" - I had completely forgotten about it! It's been so long though, I think I'll wait for release and reviews before getting excited.

Well, it is already pretty good even in it's current state. They were basically just adding/extending the game content (the modern age + future age stuff and associated new buildings/graphics/quests/game concepts, and the "space age" - meaning you can [already now] go to "the moon" and colonize it) for the past year.

If you are into "god-like" city/civ building/management games, it is already pretty nice and good and a ton of fun

(I would definitely wait for at least some Christmas discount though...)

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It is actually quite playable; has been for quite some time :-)
I have sunken quite some number of hours into playing it during the past 1,5 years or so....

Anyway, it is nice to see it come out of Early Access after a century or two of development

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Quoting: cameronboschWhat's the point of buying this over the Framework Laptop 16? The Framework Laptop 16 is much more modular, it has 2 USB4 ports, it has a Linux fprintd compatible sensor, it has a 16:10 screen unlike pretty much every other Linux laptop, and it has ANSI keyboard options unlike pretty much every good Tuxedo Laptop.

Honestly, this device seems like a bit of a miss to me... It's good to have options, but I can't see myself getting this when I'm still waiting for a Framework Laptop 16 to ship...

Because of these problems and additional costs (for EU)?

Also, Framework just does NOT provide half of EU keyboard setups.
So I guess, those are some of the points.

There literally aren't any ANSI options from Tuxedo though. So if youre not in Europe, this laptop is DoA. Not to mention 16:9 needs to die on laptops; nearly every good Windows laptop has moved on from 16:9.

Also, your link isn't working.

Yeah, I fixed the link, should be working now. Thanks.

In other notes: Yes, that was *exactly* my point: When I'm from EU, it is actually the Framework option which does not make much sense: No EU keyboard layouts, additional purchase costs for being an extra-EU company.

So if you're an EU customer, Tuxedo makes perfect sense. And is a preferred manufacturer to e.g. Framework or System76.

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Quoting: cameronboschWhat's the point of buying this over the Framework Laptop 16? The Framework Laptop 16 is much more modular, it has 2 USB4 ports, it has a Linux fprintd compatible sensor, it has a 16:10 screen unlike pretty much every other Linux laptop, and it has ANSI keyboard options unlike pretty much every good Tuxedo Laptop.

Honestly, this device seems like a bit of a miss to me... It's good to have options, but I can't see myself getting this when I'm still waiting for a Framework Laptop 16 to ship...

Because of these problems and additional costs (for EU)?

Also, Framework just does NOT provide half of EU keyboard setups.
So I guess, those are some of the points.

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Works like a charm under Steam Proton

Well, it is a "skinned/modded" Stellaris, yet it actually isn't.

I have to admit that this is actually pretty good ST game, with some game mechanics I'm missing dearly in Stellaris (no starlanes, just maximum logistics warp range; discrete ships/alteregos for governors and spies, doing their job at places where they fly; historical missions, through which it is possible to make Federation the bad guys, or e.g. reform Cardassians to be the good ones...).

And lots and lots of other typical ST events and content...
And with a very nice soundtrack (although a different one, than what one would expect).

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Yep, this is definitely Gnome Shell desktop used by UKR army

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