Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Tuxee

What are your thoughts?

That Wester is either an idiot or a hypocrite. I'd go for the latter.

I would more say that he is speaking from the viewpoint of his own company, it's of course in Paradox best interest to keep their own prices as high as possible while having to pay as little as possible to others like Valve. That is hardly being a hypocrite.

He said "This doesn't cost anything." Then he's an idiot. I can live with that, too.

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What are your thoughts?

That Wester is either an idiot or a hypocrite. I'd go for the latter.

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Quoting: Woodlandor

Quoting: gojulGood that games work perfectly with Proton as native ports get more and more scarce. On the flip side Proton works so well that some games that stopped working on Windows like Act of Treason and it made some ports unnecessary.

This made me stop and think.
Can you use Steam Play on Windows?

No. Wine is not available and DXVK is unsupported for Windows. I suppose one could try to get it running but it won't be worth the effort.

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Quoting: linuxcityhopefully we get this working with proton soon.

Which signals the developer to ditch a native version alltogether. Could actually be an interesting approach: Tell the Linux folks that a native version will come "in the more or less forseeable future" to avoid alienation, then do nothing and hope Proton works out.

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Quoting: BeamboomI'll not be surprised if Canonical backs out of this decision again, seeing the reception.

Already happened:

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/is-ubuntu-not-dropping-32-bit-app-support-after-all [External Link]

I’m sorry that we’ve given anyone the impression that we are ‘dropping support for i386 applications‘. It is simply not the case. What we are dropping is updates to the i386 libraries, which will be frozen at the 18.04 LTS versions.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: Tuxee... and my 4 Wine applications seem to work perfectly ok with wine64.

That doesn't mean they aren't 32 bit and use 32 bit libraries.

Navicat provides specific 32 bit and 64 bit downloads. Even if not - not everything is doom and gloom:

https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2019-June/147898.html [External Link] (Andrew Eikum of Codeweavers)

If they don't, then I have a suggestion for our packages: use the
Steam runtime. I see a lot of upsides: They've already solved this
problem; we don't need to re-invent this wheel. Ubuntu is already
working with them to support the use-case. The project is open-source,
well-funded, and has a clear motivation to continue being updated and
functional for the long-term. And people are already building and
running Wine in the runtime today.

We would need to build a couple more packages than we do now, but not
many. Based on the Proton build system, I think we would need to
build bison, FAudio, gstreamer (and all of its dependencies, notably
glib2), and vkd3d. Build those against the runtime, package and ship
the runtime itself, and I think we should be in good shape without
having to build and maintain a bunch of 32-bit packages ourselves.

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Quoting: finaldest...Canonical decide to drop 32bit breaking 80+% of software on Linux...
Thoughts?

Thoughts? That you are slightly exaggerating? Apart from my (Steam-)games all my applications are 64bit anyway and my 4 Wine applications seem to work perfectly ok with wine64. If you count every game in my Steam library the percentage goes up considerably, but I suppose Steam might be just fine - after all Valve has shipped their own runtime environment for ages.

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Quoting: NanobangThank you for your condolences. You make a good point about a limitation of snaps. For me, another one is that almost every snap I ever tried was unable to access my data partition---where I keep all my music, videos, pix, and games.

Only your data partition? Or anything beyond the snap sandbox? Because that happens to non-"classic" installs.

https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/01/09/how-to-snap-introducing-classic-confinement [External Link]

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: sprocketNot really. Debian Stable and Ubuntu LTS have had roughly the same release cadence of 2 years. In fact Debian 10 is only a few weeks away.

LTS may be, but not regular Ubuntu which is more commonly used among desktop users. Ubuntu LTS is really more of a server distro, same as Debian stable.

No it is not. On all my desktops I run Ubuntu LTS. With HWE you are not missing out a lot and I wouldn't want to update my desktops every 6 months.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleWe've come a long way since "Fat Worm Blows a Sparky".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfDMQobrcs [External Link]

Ah. Another Speccy aficionado.

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