Quoting: chickenb00This show will live and die on its set design.

Cowboy Bebop had pretty much perfect set and costumes, yet it was disappointing to almost an angry amount.

For this live action gig, I hope they don't make the gore too realistic. The gore in Edgerunners is... kinda sickening to think of all the people that enjoy seeing it. I hope it's comic style or toned down in live action.

Also, some of the fan service in Edgerunners was pretty pointless. If someone walked into the room at the wrong moment, they'd think I was watching anime porn.

Besides my gripes, I do guiltily admit I enjoyed the show overall. I probably won't watch it twice though. I'd rather watch Arcane twice.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: redneckdrow

Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: EhvisAnd nothing of value was lost.

Yeah, it's not a CEO that does the work... only implements policies to make investors/shareholders money. This is not necessarily aligned with making good products.

I mean, Ayn Rand was less self-absorbed than your average CEO these days. Sigh, the older I get, the more I understand that unscrupulous tactics are the main pitfall of Capitalist/Free-Market economy. Yet, though it may be scummy, I'd take a scummy free-market over any other form of market.

Extremes in any form of market are terrible, no matter who that market is controlled by.

I had to write a paper on Free vs Closed vs Single vs "Post-Free" markets as a teenager, and my A.P. Government and Politics teacher gave me an extension after I showed her the first six (Unspaced! :dizzy: ) pages. It was double that before I was done. I have never had that much to say on a topic since. I went way beyond the assignment, because I went "down the rabbit hole" as it were; I've been burned out on writing for nearly a decade-and-a-half since.

Spoiler, click me

Apropos of nothing, and without revealing too much else, I also happened to pass three A.P. exams that year. I still haven't gone to College (University to you folks across the pond), but if-and-when I do, I'll have quite a few classes that I won't have to take. I never want to touch College Algebra again; it was all I could do to get a B- in that class! I still dream about polynomials and imaginary numbers! :cry:

Capitalist, Communist, Republican, Monarchist, Oligarchic, Theocratic, Fascist, and Anarchist economies all have things that make economics equally nightmarish. Not to mention that any of those governments can any/multiples of those economies, irrespective of their politics.

Doesn't mean I have to tolerate scummy CEOs! My grandfather was a member of Local 89 his whole life! He even paid his dues every year after he retired! I'll be a union man 'til the day I die and stand judged. Power to the people!

As the saying goes, capitalism is a terrible economic system; it just happens to be better than every other economic system that's been tried.

It feels like every reaction to something bad these days is blamed on capitalism. Even this news, where it sounds like people wanted it to happen, causes complaints that it's not good enough. (As if Unity even knows what the new CEO (who they haven't hired) will do.) It has gotten very tiring for all the comments to be about politics here, so I'm glad to see this comment that does not make me feel defensive for the place I was born.

To everyone else, think about where the big gaming software companies come from around the world. What economy type are those companies residing in? Do you hate them all?

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Quoting: razing32Honestly I'd play CS2 but bot mode is gone.
I don't really play PvP , just PvE and playing with friends versus bots for a few games was fun.
Now it's not allowed. Bots are dumb as pigshit and you can't have a human versus bots game - for some reason.

You need Insurgency: Sandstorm

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I've gotten tired of the news, so I'm glad it's over. Do I like that it happened? No. Did I like what Activision Blizzard was before the takeover? No. So, even though I think it's bad news... kinda meh for me.

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I played the Capes demo months ago and enjoyed it a good amount. It felt pretty tough; I thought I was going to be frustrated and have to reload and retry multiple times, which happened to me in XCOM 2 a lot, but I was able to barely salvage the fights. Whew! It's been on my wishlist since then. I probably don't need to play the tweaked demo because I already want it. :)

Cool to know you're involved, Cheeseness. I feel like I know you a little stalker style since I see your Mastodon posts all the time.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: 14Or at least, I'm not.

Fir some seconds, I thought you'd be able to close this nicely.

? That was not meant to be a dig or anything. That's the kind of joke my family and co-workers would say.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: 14

Quoting: tuubiIf you still want to continue this conversation, please try to keep a lid on the patronising tone. This is about business ethics and a corporation's responsibility towards their employees and clients. Not about a CEO's feelings or other such nonsense.

Ethics and responsibility play along with expectations from everyone -- employees and investors. When expectations are accurate, emotions follow. You would not continue this thread without some level of emotional attachment, so I don't understand this odd request. Humans can't avoid emotions, and it affects our short-term judgement and decision making.

I'm saying that feelings aren't the topic of this discussion. Societal responsibility isn't about feelings. Business ethics isn't about feelings. A CEO doesn't make important business decisions based on how they feel. A certain level of professional detachment is expected of them. Of course we all have feelings and they contribute to everything we do, but that's neither here nor there.

Nobody expects Epic's CEO to actually love all of his employees. I don't understand why you'd deem us unserious enough to even entertain that thought. And I'm not against these sorts of corporate shenanigans just because they make me angry or sad. I'm not a child. I'm against them because they're not good for the society or the economy in the long run. That means every one of us as participants in that society. And as consumers and employees in the economy.

Quoting: 14That said, I don't have anything else to add. It is clear you are passionate on your point of view and will continue an us versus them bitterness.

I'm not bitter at all, nor am I against businesses or business owners in general. I suppose I just happen to disagree with you on the standard we should hold them to.

I am sorry if I come off as unnecessarily blunt or confrontational. That's not my intention. Social skills, what are they and where can I buy some? :whistle:

I respect your ability to disagree without the conversation devolving too much.

I don't disagree with everything you said 100% forever into eternity, for all circumstances. But it would be a little exhausting to get into the minutia. We're not paid to sit around and philosophize, after all. Or at least, I'm not.

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Quoting: 14It is clear you are passionate on your point of view and will continue an us versus them bitterness.

Us versus them is not generally about bitterness, although bitterness often gets involved once the lines are drawn. Ukraine and Russia are not fighting because anyone is bitter, although I am sure plenty of people on both sides are bitter.

As for "us versus them" and CEOs . . . well, if you look at trends in income, wealth and quality of life for the very wealthy and for everyone else, and you look at the policies that have driven those trends, and you look at the groups that have bent considerable effort to securing those policies and pushing the economic theories that profess to support them . . . the conclusion that the very wealthy are a "them", and that no matter what we might think, they're sure against us, becomes difficult to avoid. It is true that if one reaches this conclusion, one may become bitter.

Your defense of the bitterness makes sense, I won't invalidate it, but it doesn't nullify my statement you quoted. I will conclude with that.

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Quoting: tuubiIf you still want to continue this conversation, please try to keep a lid on the patronising tone. This is about business ethics and a corporation's responsibility towards their employees and clients. Not about a CEO's feelings or other such nonsense.

Ethics and responsibility play along with expectations from everyone -- employees and investors. When expectations are accurate, emotions follow. You would not continue this thread without some level of emotional attachment, so I don't understand this odd request. Humans can't avoid emotions, and it affects our short-term judgement and decision making.

That said, I don't have anything else to add. It is clear you are passionate on your point of view and will continue an us versus them bitterness.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: 14

Quoting: Cybolic

Quoting: 14Companies are for-profit, ya know? Go to church if you want more of a family feel. Companies are not your family.

I'm afraid I have bad news [External Link] for you....

Sorta funny, but you're not claiming they're for profit, are you?

Looks to me like these churches have been actively gathering a lot more wealth than they spend. Isn't that what you'd call "making a profit"? Churches are not treated as business entities so obviously we don't apply the for-profit label. Not even to the sort of Christian offshoots that preach the prosperity gospel and exist to enrich their charismatic leaders.

Quoting: 14Regardless, if you don't like my example, my point still stands. Think of a different example I guess.

So if the point of the bit Cybolic quoted wasn't that churches are an ethical counterbalance to corporate greed, maybe it was that we can't hold businesses and their leaders to any ethical standard at all? That we should just accept that anything goes in the name of profit?

Any way you spin it, your point wasn't great. In my opinion, obviously.

I wouldn't agree with the extremes you described either. Extremes are never good. Without writing something very long winded, I'm trying to say that we can't expect CEO's to love their employees like parent-child or close relative relationships. The other extreme would be complete disregard of human life. Something in between can happen.

If Epic was able to avoid their current financial problem, it wouldn't have been out of love, it would have been from smart business decisions with the goal of self sustenance. Most employees would be happy and comfortable knowing their company had a sturdy future.

If you lay off one of your two employees (50% of workforce) from a cookie stand because customers started going to a competitor, are you evil now that you can't afford to pay wages? As the owner of the business, should you take out loans and go into debt to keep your employee count?

I get that there are more reasons people don't like Epic. I'm focusing only on layoff situations.

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