Quoting: grigi

Quoting: BlackBloodRumI wonder if KDE is compatible with slotting [External Link], if it is I might install it in another slot and try it. :grin:

That's the biggest feature of Gentoo that I'm missing thesedays. Slots are glorious in how they can simplify how you think of dependencies.

It really does! :grin:

When I switched over to gentoo, it was like having all the chains that limited what I could do removed. Portage may not be fast, but from a feature and usage perspective it's the best package manager I've ever used. :grin:

I'm down the hole now, I couldn't go back to a regular distro on my desktop :unsure:

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Tempted to try it :neutral:

Gentoo already has it available, if you want it. More info here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE [External Link]

I wonder if KDE is compatible with slotting [External Link], if it is I might install it in another slot and try it. :grin:

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Loving that mustang model! I've got to get me a (real) classic mustang some day! :happy:

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"Indie" anything always goes that way when it becomes profitable, unfortunately.

Think of it like "Indie" music, at one point it was just independent bands without a record label. Now, it's simply a "style" of music, where most "indie" bands are in fact with some big record labels, therefore technically not independent at all.

If it's a profitable thing, some big corpo rat is going to make a buck[1] out of it. Whether that means buying the smaller games or bring out their own.

In any case, independent should always mean just that. Small, independent people without big money or corporations behind them.

[1] Considering the season, let's change that to "make a reindeer out of it".

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: SoulprayerI was already unhappy that EndeavourOS is dropping XFCE support.
But i will always love XFCE as my favorite desktop.

according to PCSX2 developers, Wayland is "super broken/buggy in basically every scenario. KDE isn't too buggy, GNOME is a complete disaster" and have disabled it in their distributions.:grin::grin:
But:

PCSX2 still supports Wayland. It just prefers the XCB/XWayland platform by default. You can set the I_WANT_A_BROKEN_WAYLAND_UI environment variable and experience the brokenness for yourself on the AppImage builds, or add the wayland socket to the flatpak.

One of the 'fun' little breakages I've found... I use a Nitrokey. Copy/Paste in it is broken under Wayland. The way it works under Xorg, I can right click on the tray icon, select password slot label, and the password is copied into the clipboard...

Under Wayland, this doesn't work at all, and the only way I can get it to work is to open the full UI, go to the slot where it's saved, click show password, then copy and paste it that way. That goes from 1 click to like 8... all because Wayland hasn't implemented all of the Xorg clipboard tricks.

Wayland may not be entirely to blame here.

KeePassXC has similar functionality, where you can select an entry, click copy and then paste it elsewhere. It also prevents it being added to clipboard history, and clears it out of your clipboard after a set time.

It does all this on Wayland just fine. So, perhaps Nitrokey could follow a similar method?

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I think at some point, Steams Top 10 list is just going to start saying to the Deck: Never gonna give you up, Never gonna let you down, Never gonna run around and put another game up.

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Quoting: NezchanSeems like the creator of Xscreensaver is rather upset about this development, given Wayland has no way to implement screen savers at all.

Not directly, no.

But, you can "sort of" get it working, as discussed here:
https://www.linux.org/threads/xscreensaver-under-wayland.43543/ [External Link]

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Quoting: Cyril

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: CyrilI use XFCE. :wink:

But not on RHEL? Meaning other distros aren't removing xorg yet, which could make it an issue.

Yeah I know, sorry maybe I wasn't clear at all (I use XFCE on Manjaro), I meant: for the whole Wayland thing, XFCE seems to be the black sheep here.
And it seems people are quite happy with Wayland and other stuff tied to it, so I'm wondering if XFCE will support it as well in the mid term, and if it doesn't I'm afraid it will be a bad situation for us XFCE folks...
And in that case I don't know what DE I will be using really... I really like XFCE (even if I didn't tried others really hard, though I hate GNOME) and I don't want to change it soon.

Worry not, young one.

For it is usual that XFCE appear be dead. But you rest assure, it always be that way. For we once feared it was dead because of GTK3, but alas it eventually got GTK3 support.

XFCE is not dissimilar to Gentoo in this regard, both have been reported "dead" on multiple occasions, but it is far from the truth. XFCE may be slow to adopt Wayland, but it will get there and you not be left in a situation where you cannot use it.

The reason be simple: They are niche projects. They are not the current "popular" projects, so they get a lot less contributors, which makes things appear slower.

But alas, both will say the same: The news of my death has been greatly exaggerated.

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Quoting: sharkcheese

Quoting: BlackBloodRumI like Wayland, and generally support it.

But I honestly feel it's too soon for something like RHEL to outright drop Xorg entirely. There could be a whole heap of legacy enterprise applications which don't place nicely with Xwayland.

It's always going to be too soon, but trial by fire is the only way new FOSS APIs ever make it over the finish line. Supporting a protocol no one uses doesn't make a whole lot of sense in terms of time investment, but if it's made the default it heavily incentivizes fixing those problems out of necessity.

So things will be rough for a while. Change is hard.

If we were talking about a general user centric distro, such as Ubuntu or Fedora. Then that'd be just fine, as it would push the majority of users over and help fix issues. No problem for them.

When talking about enterprise users however, they do not like to be pushed into anything experimental. And what they use must stay rock solid.

The two user bases are distinctively different, and use their software very differently. Remember that for business purposes, if you replace a service or software, then what you replace it with must be as good, or better. Never a downgrade. An enterprise may argue or feel that the experimental Wayland, that may not work with their nvidia hardware fully, is a downgrade.

That's bad.

Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: sharkcheeseSo things will be rough for a while. Change is hard.

-- unless the organization that has a RHEL subscription is at liberty to use the EPEL repos (which they might not be); it's not like RHEL is erasing the xorg server from the internet altogether.

There's no guarantee that EPEL will carry Xorg though. You're guessing that they would, no one has confirmed that will happen. In addition some enterprises may have policies which prevent unsupported community repos like EPEL being used.

I think it's just too soon for something aimed purely at enterprise/business usage to be dropping something that many of them rely on, particularly when the replacement is not entirely ready yet.

If this was a regular distro, then it would be reasonably acceptable to say that it's time for users to move on to push the technology. It can be fixed easily for them. But we're talking about RHEL and enterprise here. They may get stuck with a buggy Wayland version for many years to come.

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Quoting: JarmerI switched over to full-time Wayland when Plasma 5.27 was released for one simple reason: the feature that allows you to push esc on a lock screen and instantly put the monitors to sleep doesn't work on X. It does on Wayland. There are other minor things, but honestly I didn't really notice much of a difference otherwise. I'm on an all-amd system though, so I know it's easier for me compared to nvidia users.

Got to be one of my most favourite/used features. It's just so convenient once you get used to it. :woot:

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