This is absolutely ridiculous. They had to know the kind of reaction it would get and they did it anyway. It isn't bad reviews causing the problem, they caused the problem by choice. Some people have suggested it is due to lawsuit costs/losses, which makes sense. Players did not cause those loses and they should not be paying for them. People have already paid for an incomplete game, the company should be making good on what people already paid for. They should not be crapping on people that already paid, to try and get more money from them. It is a horrible precedent. It says to devs, hey you can get people to pay for unfinished products. Not only that, but you can get them to pay for more unfinished crap before you finish the crap they already paid for. You don't ever even have to finish a product, just keep putting all the unfinished crap you want out there and have people pay for it. If you get some unexpected costs come up that has nothing to do your customers, who cares just make an addition to your unfinished crap and charge them for it.

If they really needed the money, they should have released the product and then released a DLC.

Some people may not have a problem with this, obviously most people do. Overwhelming so, if think it is ok you might want to more thoroughly consider the other side of the argument. I'm not saying you're wrong, you have the right to your point of view. There are really good reasons people are opposed to this.

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Quoting: zimplex1They're adding micro-transactions... Sigh.

This truly does blow.

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Quoting: m2mg2

Quoting: XpanderFokin Hell :(

I was so looking forward to play this with my new shiny GTX 1070

ohh well, at least we can hope that the port will be top quality like the first one

The port was generally good, except for a pretty major pulse audio bug that completely froze the game at almost every video until I switched to a virtual terminal and killed pulse audio. Don't know if they ever fixed that. Hopefully they can do even better since it was planned from the start. I just hope they are at least working on it, they do have at least one Linux engineer; Godlewski.

never experienced this. And i played 6 hours straight with 1 sitting.

It may have been somewhat Fedora specific, or if you played somewhat recently it may have been fixed. It was ~2 years ago when I played it. I found the bad fix of killing pulse audio in a virtual terminal from someone through a google search so I was definitely not the only one.

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Yeah, lots of bad news. But also surprises, like Dead Island Riptide and Two Worlds II on the Way. I think there are a couple about to hit I never thought would make it (Depth Charge). A lot of people making promises they can't keep but also some that keep their mouths shut and deliver out of the blue. Honestly I had all but given up on Rocket League.

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Quoting: XpanderFokin Hell :(

I was so looking forward to play this with my new shiny GTX 1070

ohh well, at least we can hope that the port will be top quality like the first one

The port was generally good, except for a pretty major pulse audio bug that completely froze the game at almost every video until I switched to a virtual terminal and killed pulse audio. Don't know if they ever fixed that. Hopefully they can do even better since it was planned from the start. I just hope they are at least working on it, they do have at least one Linux engineer; Godlewski.

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Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: dubigrasuIndeed, SteamOS basically can be installed on whatever hardware a Debian Jessie can be installed.

So a Raspberry Pi too? :P

That would be the thing :)

I was actually looking into that. Steam has nothing for ARM architecture except the Steam Link, and you cannot download the OS for that, or any kind of installer. The steam client has no ARM package, so Steam itself cannot be installed on a Pi. I was looking at setting up something like a steam link with a Pi, but this fact stopped me. I did find moonlight which enable's Nvidia steaming to a Pi. But unfortunately it only supports Nvidia Gamestream which isn't available in Linux, meaning you have to stream from a Windows box and receive the stream on the Linux based Pi. Since you can't get the Steam Client on ARM/Pi you can't do Steam streaming from Linux Steam to the Pi.

Unless I'm missing something, would love to hear it if so.

Edited to fix my stupid typos.

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Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: jedidiahlnx...which could be nearly anything. Unless Valve has some very Draconian system requirements, what's in random user systems and what's in "sanctioned" Steam Boxes probably overlaps a great deal.

Indeed, SteamOS basically can be installed on whatever hardware a Debian Jessie can be installed.

It will run on any hardware Linux will with, at least with an x86_64 cpu. Even if it doesn't if you have the skills you should be able to make it. But it will not have been tested and debugged. Official Steam Machines "should" have been tested and debugged to ensure they don't have issues, anything else is untested and unsupported (at least not in any major way). So if you want a problem free experience with SteamOS you should use an official Steam Machine. If you want to fix issues that might come up (basically being a beta tester and debugging their stuff) make your own Steam Machine. If you just want to play Steam games in Linux without altering your standard operating procedures, just use the Steam Client in you chosen distro.

I did fool around with installing SteamOS in a dual boot with my primary distro (Fedora). The install is nothing like a standard Linux install. I had to basically hack up the install process to even get it to work. It was a while back and I don't remember exactly what the problem was, something to do with my drive configurations and the bootloader. It never stood a chance with me, I only booted into it a few times and wiped it out rather quickly.

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Quoting: hardpenguinNow that we all admitted SteamOS is dead, can we get our Tux logo back on Steam store pages? ;)

I don't think Steam Machines are dead, I don't think they were ever really alive. When they started there wasn't enough in terms of games for them to go anywhere. I think Valve was right to not make a big push for Steam Machines without the games to support them, it may have damaged the potential beyond recovery. I think their failure was being to optimistic in the beginning. They ported most of their games quick and thought everyone else could to. Maybe they could have thrown a bunch of money at developers/publishers to bring more games faster but we don't really know what happened there. I don't think it was realistic to have expected it to happen faster. The games are really coming along though, I've got a pretty massive amount of games in my Library now that support Linux/SteamOS and there are a good chunk more coming (Two Worlds II, Civ 6, Shadow Warrior 2, Maybe's but I'll believe it when I see it: Mad Max, Rocket League, Hitman, Deus Ex MD, Street Fighter V, Homefront Revolution, Evolve). I think only recently has the potential for Steam Machines to succeed been created.

Personally I think they were waiting until a big push would be successful and not do more harm than good. The potential is there now, whether Valve will do anything with it or not remains to be seen.

I think the potential is hard to wrap your head around without visualizing so here is a list of BIG games we have now we didn't a short time ago, off the top of my head.

Dead Island
Dead Island Riptide
Dying Light
Two Worlds
Saints Row 2
Saints Row 3
Saints Row Gat Out of Hell
Saints Row IV
The Witcher 2
Dirt Showdown
Grid Autosport
F1 2015
Alien Isolation
Xcom Enemy Unknown
Xcom 2
Lord of the Rings - Shadow of Mordor
Tomb Raider 2013
Life is Strange
KOTOR II
Civ 5
Borderlands 2
Borderlands PreSequel
Shadow Warrior
Company of Heroes II
Total War Medieval II
Total War Empire
Spec Ops the Line
Arma III (still need current version but I believe this will happen soon)
Bioshock Infinite
Overlord I
Overlord II
Left for Dead 2
Portal
Portal 2
Half Life 2
Team Fortress 2
Pillars of Eternity
Divinity Original Sin
Magica 2
Metro 2033
Metro Redux
Payday 2
Brutal Legend

There are also some big games that run on Linux and have for a while but aren't available in steam
Minecraft
Quake 4
Doom 3/BFG
Unreal Tournament 2004
Unreal Tournament 4

Getting some kind of easy setup/third party SteamOS repo for these that is point/click setup, can grab game data files from the CD's or straight through steam would be huge. The repo could also address Netflix, Skype, Spotify, Kodi (which is awsome for DLNA) for which licensing or whatnot may be an issue.

And there's a huge amount of really good smaller/indie games. Of course there are massive titles we don't have that really hurt but no platform has everything. It could go either way right now, but I have some faith in Valve. They aren't like Loki, Valve isn't going bankrupt tomorrow. Steam didn't do great when it released, just like Steam Machines a lot of people hated Steam, said it was worthless and pointless. I think it is silly to say Steam Machines are dead.

Dell is still in, and made a statement about a lot more games coming to the platform. If Dell makes a big push, Valve makes a big push, most of the games coming down the line release and Valve improves SteamOS the Steam Machines could be huge. If not I guess they'll die, very prematurely. More like an abortion or a miscarriage than a death.

That said as a Linux user I don't and probably never will be very interested in SteamOS, as others have said it doesn't offer me anything I don't have. I do buy a lot of games that support Linux, and I no longer buy any that don't.

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That really blows, this usually means much, much later. They do plan on having one indicates to me that they aren't even working on it yet. Hopefully they at least made sure not to choose any middleware that would be problematic.

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Great game, right up my ally. I love metal and games with a lot of gore. I'm not a big fan of the pixelated graphics but the other qualities of the game won me over. Two thumbs up!

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