The title of the game is dumb but I love top-down shooters and it looks sweet so I'll most likely be picking it up :D

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Quoting: jensWell, I'm talking about a (hopefully) very small but very vocal part of the Linux community that is nearly blind due to ideology and principles and can't even see anymore when they get presented with a gift.

I'm truly happy and grateful when I'm behind my Fedora box with NVidia closed source driver and able to enjoy games like Hitman, Tomb Raider or CIV VI etc. purchased and started from Steam with just a few clicks. It is close to unbelievable that this is now possible on Linux. But instead of being very grateful to the companies and people behind it for making this possible and letting the market slowly grow, I'm constantly reading arguments that the parties that made this happen but obviously also want to earn money are evil and hostile against Linux:

- Steam is bad, they offer a closed source distribution platform
- Steam is even more evil because they seem to have lost they Linux focus and won't bring VR to Linux
- Gog is hostile because the abandoned their plans for Galaxy on Linux
- Nvidia is bad cause they don't open their driver and don't participate in upstream development
- Publishers are bad because they don't port game x or y
- Porting Studios are bad because because they use kind of wrappers and haven't yet completely embraced Vulkan
- Smaller Studios are bad because they don't want to deal with Linux support
- Newcomers on the complex Linux platform will be openly attacked when they can't get everything right the first time.

I could go on and go on :(

Really, I think Linux had they peak regarding to gaming. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear we are shooting our self in the foot due to not seeing our chance and due to completely unrealistic demands for such a small market.

Coming back to the article this is about. It is actually fantastic news that some employees in the background of the big player EA do consider Linux in the future. But the overall response here is mostly: they are evil due to actions in the past, I wont buy from them, full period. I wouldn't blame the people that fought internally within EA to have some resource freed for Linux to throw the towel in the ring and give up on Linux entirely after reading this.

Please, just be a little bit grateful when companies and people behind it are reaching out a hand.

I'm gonna assume that if you saw my comment you'd include me in the vocal minority of religious fanatics so I'm gonna elaborate on my perspective a bit and on things I disagree with you on.

EA destroyed my favorite game developer of all time, Westwood studios, and as far as I'm concerned I'm never getting over it. I'm absolutely a fanatic when it comes to that. You can consider that childish, petty and unreasonable. That's fair.

And I totally get where you're generally coming from, I'd consider buying from virtually any other company and I'm a fan of Valve and honestly a borderline fan of Nvidia for their awesome support of my platform. However there is no obligation on me or anyone else to pay money to companies or welcome them with open arms. You consider yourself free to only buy games if they're to your liking, well everybody else is also free to do with their money as they please and not necessarily welcome anyone with open arms and buy stuff unconditionally.

And yeah, buy stuff. It's bought. As welcome as the availability of games is, they're not "gifts". (Unless they are literally free)

I'm not an expert economist but I think your phrase "completely unrealistic demands for such a small market" doesn't make a lot of sense. I think markets are shaped by demands not the other way around. And I sure agree 100% that we should be civil and reasonable, but I don't agree that we should be humble. Humility will earn us no favors, especially from AAA companies. Humility will get us walked all over and running DRM as root before long. Windows and console gamers get games not because they're nice, but because they can pay when their core demands are met. No company, especially a big one would expect to get anything but the boot if they don't meet the target audience's core demands, so coddling them is completely pointless and even arguably strategically disadvantageous. Being grateful when good stuff actually happens though, is again something I can get behind. We have some amazing stuff on our platform both indie and AAA and I'm super grateful for it. It makes me happy too.

Being a zealous fanatic might or might not be optimal for the well-being of the platform, but neither is the opposite extreme of kissing up to people who haven't shown some real concern or respect first. So yeah sure be friendly and approachable, buy from EA if you want, but also have some dignity. "we sorta considered it but then went eh screw it" is not reaching out a hand yet.

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On one hand EA supporting Linux with their high profile releases would certainly boost the public outlook of the platform.
On the other hand I absolutely don't want EA on Linux.

I guess I'm glad that's not a choice I can make!

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Two things.
Virtually all DX9 games I've played run very well. So even if there are some things to wrap up, there is not much left on that front.
Wine API implementation progress is 75% [External Link]. I consider that well over a critical point and fully expect Wine to catch up with Windows.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyGetting aroused never causes me to question my life choices. To the contrary, it's when I realize I haven't been getting aroused much that I start to have questions . . .

Exactly, all the points I've put into seduction, which is all the points, better pay off.

Quoting: Samsai

Quoting: Purple PuddingTo all the people complaining about these type of games, be smart: gift them.

Here some ideas:
-GOL staff

I'm sure Liam will appreciate any and all games sent his way. :P

So do you guys accept bribes for positive coverage of games in the form of other, unrelated sexay hentai games?

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Quoting: Sir_DiealotHowever, I think that conceptionally PoL is a dead end, and lutris copied that concept. Install scripts that are maintained by the community may sound like a good idea on paper, but PoL has shown that the result is garbage. Why?
Wine evolves quickly, so even if a user writes a good script with all the workarounds required this script is going to be outdated very soon. Then, with a newer wine version, it may well be that none of the workarounds are required and the game runs even better. Yet the script will still install the old wine version with a ton of workarounds. Given the vast number of games and hence scripts most of them will remain out of date.
Lutris has the same issue, except that it restricts itself to steam installers. They also probably are taking away manpower from each other, because there are only so few people willing to write or maintain scripts. Then there are security implications, because who's reading the scripts before running them? (You are of course, but no one else is). I don't see that ever working well.

I think that argument is a tad moot and can be applied to anything. One could say "Windows is moving too quickly so developing and maintaining Wine is pointless, everybody will just lose interest eventually and then it'll be outdated forever". When the reality is 75% of all APIs has been implemented. Lutris scripts may end up outdated, they might not. I'd argue in favor of optimism though because 1. surely it's easier to go back and remove workarounds that aren't necessary anymore than to write them in the first place which has already been done in that scenario? And 2. the use case of Lutris will be forever relevant (to gaming enthusiasts at least) and is worth trying to do right.

Quoting: CommanderTry nvidia-full-beta-all from AUR

I heartily and sincerely appreciate the tip but running beta drivers from AUR isn't something I want to do.

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Quoting: ShmerlPlayOnLinux is pretty good for Wine prefix management tool, except the project is now basically dead upstream.

I don't really like the UI of POL, especially compared to Lutris or Vineyard, and its fatal flaw for me is not being able to add already existing prefixes that I made myself (at least as far as I can tell). It tries to be a complete isolated solution a bit too much for my taste, while Lutris and Vineyard give you the flexibility to use their automation or just reuse stuff you already set up yourself.

I appreciate your suggestion nonetheless though.

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Quoting: CybolicSince there are several comments about the difficulties in setting up Wine prefixes, I'll just do a quick plug for my own little Wine management tool, Vineyard [External Link]. With that installed, you can just double click a Windows executable, select which existing prefix to use or select "New prefix" (and if needed, select the Windows version to emulate, the virtual desktop size to use and which Winetricks packages to install) and click run; easy-peasy. It also comes with an indicator showing the running Wine applications (if they're launched through Vineyard) so you can check their output and it'll automatically suggest which Winetricks packages you might need to install based on the error messages.

That is super awesome. I was wondering why nobody has made something like that, just a good Wine launcher / prefix management tool. Apparently someone has. And the amount of stuff vineyard-preferences offers is legitimately impressive. Your tool deserves to be plugged everywhere. Thank you!

I personally also really like the wine support in Lutris [External Link] as well, I think it's very neat. You can really quickly change the wine version and prefix for any game in the client. It could definitely benefit from some of the options and prefix management capabilities of vineyard though, especially in the Wine Steam runner. Maybe it's wishful thinking but it would be really great if you guys shared some code. Especially seeing as both projects use python. But regardless I'm really glad both tools exist.

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When I was testing 2.14 I filed a bug against Wine [External Link] and Arch [External Link]. It seems it's still present with 2.15.

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Quoting: bgh251f2

Quoting: qptain Nemo

Quoting: bgh251f2This and the answer that twitch gave me earlier about their launcher on Linux only makes me sadder.

Which was?

https://twitter.com/TwitchDesktop/status/898591549860098049 [External Link]

Thanks.

At least it's still planned.

... I guess that sounds rather comical when said in the context of this thread though, doesn't it?

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