LTTs WAN Show that is live right now tells that the Windows drivers on the Deck "have issues" which is besides the issues with not all drivers exists yet. Open question is of course if it's really the drivers that are the issue here or Windows itself not liking the Deck architecture. Anyway he said that Windows on the Deck isn't even at the stage where you can make performance measures vs Linux.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: EikeYou've got the whole thread at your disposal to cite all those. Nobody here was defining it this way,

And I'm not talking about people here, but about those who were originally annoyed at Wine calling itself an emulator, causing it to be rebranded as "not an emulator". So not sure what your point is exactly. None of these people are here I presume.

But that never happened, Wine "never" called it self an emulator (except in some parts of the old FAQ). In fact the naming came not as a response to "is this an emulator or not", instead it was triggered by SUN having just released Wabi and suddenly renamed it that from WABI and although they had announced it like this prior they now refused to acknowledge that it stood for "Windows Application Binary Interface", one would imagine that the layers at SUN got cold feet and wanted to put restrictions on their engineers.

So people where joking on Usenet in August of 1993 (the initial release of WINE came in July 1993 which only consisted of a simple loader, hence the project was named the Windows Loader at the time) that the "Linux guys" should call their software "WAW" ("WAW ain't Windows(tm)") to which David C. Niemi (then kernel hacker from Red Hat) famously wrote:

How about "Wine Is Not an Emulator"?

The entire discussion is preserved thanks to Google Groups: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.misc/c/_g3F2H4ieDc/m/n5FE_ygtpdoJ?pli=1 [External Link]

Official WINE timeline:
 
June 26, 1993 Wine 0.0.2 basic loader by Bob Amstadt and Eric Youngdale
July 1 Wine 0.0.3
July 5 Wine 0.0.4
July 6 Wine+TCL (tcl code by Peter MacDonald)
July 8 Wine 0.1.0 using tcl/tk
July 15 Wine 0.2.0 using Xt/Xlib
July 28 Upload directory renamed from Wabi to Wine
August Naming discussion, “Wine Is Not an Emulator” first suggested by David Niemi

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Quoting: RichardYao

Quoting: disterpIf they're talking about "write a Windows emulator for Linux" then it can't be something like Wine, because Wine is not an emulator, is it?

Wine originally stood for WINdows Emulator and did releases on an emulation newsgroup. The complaint about not being an emulator is to distinguish it from hardware emulation. However, OS emulation is also a form of emulation and the wine developers are unique in refusing to acknowledge that they are doing OS emulation.

Actually the project first got it's name WINE as "Wine Is Not an Emulator” in August 1993 between the release of 0.2.0 and 0.3.0, before this the project was called "the Windows loader" / Wabi.

And no WINE is not a OS emulator, it's a reimplementation of the Windows API. Not really sure how a emulator for a modern OS would look like but perhaps this one from Google is. Perhaps they emulate it down to how e.g the Windows Scheduler works to make games get the 100% Windows experience that WINE can never do.

Quoting: rustybroomhandleIf they DO plan to write it from scratch, I'm betting that Amazon's Proton plans will get to market long before Google.

By the wording of the Google quote I would say that it sounds like they have already built this.

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I guess every one have already seen this but it appears that Google have been busy writing their own Proton/Wine from scratch: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/9/22969081/google-windows-games-stadia-emulator [External Link] hopefully they will release it as open source at some time.

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Quoting: scaineGotta admit, I'm sat here gobsmacked that someone thought Elex was decent enough to warrant a sequel.

That's all I got from reading this. Damn.

p.s. awesome news about the underlying tech that powers Linux gaming....

Apparently ELEX made over 100k sales in Germany alone the first year.

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Quoting: johndoe

Quoting: slapinNobody is actually willing to hear the sad truth, the propaganda sounds more comfortable.

If this is the truth, then any russian is simply dump... and I don't think so.
Honstly I believe they fear to get arrested and vanish... another sign of a dictators power.

It's easy to think this way but unfortunately you don't have to be dumb to be fooled by propaganda, it works just as good on Einstein level geniuses as the local village idiot. And that is why it exists, had it only affected the dumb people then no one would have ever bothered with it since the value would be minimal.

As an example just go over to Phoronix right now, people who are normally sane and of average intelligence are now there spewing insane ideas of Putin liberating the Ukrainian population from Nazis and so forth.

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Quoting: FurysparkWhere were everyone's sanctions against China when they took over Hong Kong? Among probably at least a dozen other examples.

This is just a PR move, and I kinda hope it blows up in their faces.

There have been at least 20 sanctions against China since 1949, nothing as global as today's sanctions against Russia but I can promise you that if China decided to invade Taiwan they would be put under equal sanctions as Russia is today.

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The update seam to break for a lot of players including lots and lots of Windows users. For me it worked just as fine (or bad) as it have always done, still crashes for me at the fight in the granary near the end of The Following.

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Quoting: AnzaFor me it didn't get worse...though it didn't get better either.

My problem has been "Cannot initialize renderer" since I switched from nVIDIA to AMD. Apparently compiling Mesa without libglvnd migh help, but haven't gotten around doing that.

libglvnd shouldn't be the problem in a recent enough mesa. I don't remember exactly on which version it was fixed, I think it was on the 19.x branch but could be wrong.

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What a breath of fresh air it is to listen to Gabe, a CEO of a gaming company that not only knows and loves gaming but that also have intimate knowledge of the product that they create and distribute.

Regarding a v2, I don't expect that to happen until 2024 at the earliest. First AMD have to release a better enough APU and then they have to create one that they can produce in the numbers needed. Going by the sales numbers I would expect Steam to drop the middle SKU, if people mostly buy the most expensive version then the middle one sounds completely unnecessary.

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