Quoting: Guest

Quoting: dvdAlso, getting stuff into the kernel and distributions is going a way above putting out a blob that may or may not work with your version of a kernel. (Plus they made an effort to incorporate most of their software (aside the firmware) to the larger linux ecosystem).

Then I was very lucky that it always worked for me, even with the betas on arch. Mesa on the other hand was VERY buggy with native linux games not so long ago - your kernel didn't matter.

Really? Maybe that was because AMD only started to push the open stack very recently, until then they had a separate driver much like nvidia. Ever since they made the effort to develop their open stack it's been very solid.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)

Actually amdgpu / radeonsi were same day. Only amdvlk wasn't, and radv developers pushed theirs like right after release.

Also, getting stuff into the kernel and distributions is going a way above putting out a blob that may or may not work with your version of a kernel. (Plus they made an effort to incorporate most of their software (aside the firmware) to the larger linux ecosystem).

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Quoting: Geppeto35

Quoting: EikeFor those who don't care about the latest software, but might need a current graphics driver or kernel, there will be a buster-backports repository (like an official PPA, if you will).

Problem: I always quit the debian install for another distro 'cause those kernels coming from ages! How to get bugs and materials working with such delay on kernel! I'm pretty sure solutions exist to get those materials working (last example: a small Pc based on intel https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/128990/intel-pentium-silver-n5000-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-70-ghz.html -> no way to make it working -network and intel gpu-)

Solution? My two cents: I would love debian to launch two different distros: one with current-recent-running kernels and updates (at our own risks, I have the chance to store all my important data on a NAS, so I would take it) and the stable one.

problem2: As says F.Ultra, getting help on a debian install on the internet with few skills on this distro is like trying to have help with no money in another-speaking (and non-spoke) unfriendly country: no avaialble document readable directly, and when asking, either no answer or someone barking at you that you should have bought another materials

I don't understand this: Debian has 3 main branches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Branches
The current kernel running on buster is 4.19, which is an extended support release. Newer kernels will be available through backports or if you use the testing suite. Debians installer is not any more complicated than the Ubuntu one, the only extra question is if you want to install non-free software, since those are not officially part of debian, unlike ubuntu. Getting help: there is extensive document for every stable release, broken up by architecture. For example, for the latest release:
https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual

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Quoting: MadVillain

Quoting: ThormackThe new Steam officially supported distro just launched.
Awesome.

(Just a speculation, for now...)

Lately I tried to switch from LM to LMDE and I switched back the next day, because pretty much nothing worked.
It was a pain in the ass to even launch Steam and none of the games worked.
Also, the latest Nvidia drivers are not available for Debian.
If you look at protondb reports, you will see that most of "platinum" and "gold" reports come from either Ubuntu, LM or Manjaro.
So I don't think that Valve will give up on Ubuntu that easily.
Especially with Canonical backtracking on their statements.

The Nvidia driver that is in the non-free repos is two months old. If that's not good enough, i don't know what is. Your troubles with steam may have to do with you doing a "tricky" install and/or using nvidia - they are not the most linux-friendly company around. (Also, before crying wolf you should also check steam on something like gnome ore kde, on which it is probably tested, i don't think they test it on blackbox and the likes. They usually omit many dependencies that steam needs too)

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: dvd

Quoting: fagnerln

Quoting: ThormackThe new Steam officially supported distro just launched.
Awesome.



(Just a speculation, for now...)

Nah, I don't think so.

There's a lot things to do after the installation. IMO they will support a more friendly distro, preferably with a corporation behind, like OpenSUSE or Fedora

Maybe they create a new distro for desktop use based on Debian.

I don't see where people get the impression that Ubuntu is more 'user friendly'. Nothing says that better than their python based installer that regularly crashes at the partitioning step with a bunch of exceptions that are surely easier to read for the average user than plain language.

Because the average used does not use whatever advanced setting that you are using that are causing those crashes. They will simply click "next" all the way. And once they have done so they will have a fully working desktop, and if they need further customization or changes then the Internet is full of blogs and nice looking guides for how to do this in Ubuntu.

That is why.

It is reasonable to expect that people with laptops that do anything but video games (like banking or job emails) on their computers want some kind of FDE (fake or not) on their hard drives. This is something that the ubuntu installer regurarly crashed on for me every time i tried to install it on my laptop.

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Quoting: fagnerln

Quoting: ThormackThe new Steam officially supported distro just launched.
Awesome.



(Just a speculation, for now...)

Nah, I don't think so.

There's a lot things to do after the installation. IMO they will support a more friendly distro, preferably with a corporation behind, like OpenSUSE or Fedora

Maybe they create a new distro for desktop use based on Debian.

I don't see where people get the impression that Ubuntu is more 'user friendly'. Nothing says that better than their python based installer that regularly crashes at the partitioning step with a bunch of exceptions that are surely easier to read for the average user than plain language.

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Quoting: einherjar

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: einherjar

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: einherjarThanks Canonical :><:

Now we will have lots of game devs and publishers saying:
"See, there is no reliable Distro in the Linux world. It doesn't make sense to ship software for Linux"

No doubt we will. But they will be fools to do so. Look, Microsoft and Apple make stupid decisions all the time. When they do, just exactly what can you do about it? Can you switch to a different Windows or Mac OS distro?
This is a time to celebrate the fact that Linux distros are not monopolies.

Like it or not, but with that small userbase it is also a disadvantage.
Developers and Companys like Adobe will be held away from bringing their software to Linux.
They want one reliable OS --> MS gives it to them.

We need a big popular and reliable Distro, to have enough marketshare and live the "diversity". With 1% marketshare distributed across more then 10 Distros, we will remain irrelevant (on Desktop) for most of the companies.

As may be--would you be happier right now if Ubuntu were the only Linux distro?

Absolutely not. But when there is not one big "standard" (with a bigger marketshare may be two) Distro, that developers can adress, we will not get software/games for Linux. And that one also has to be beginner friendly.
It is very positive, that there is more than one, but too much is also not good.
the dose makes the poison...

May be a bit too simplified, but games only need access to a window (surface) and some drivers. Apart from that, they don't really need anything else. I suspect being 'irrelevant' has more to do with incompatible middleware and the costs of retraining their staff (programmers, support staff) to support another platform they don't see much profit in. The developers/publishers that put out more than one linux game seem to have no problem to continue to release on linux.

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This is something i've been looking for for years. Given that the WC3 remaster probably won't arrive for linux, this will be an insta buy for me. Let's just hope that their order of screws arrive in time.

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Quoting: TemplateRI personally think, that Valve should create a Linux-Distribution, which is NOT based on Debian or Arch. It would be much better to have more controls, hat should remain and what not.

BUT Valve should also recreate a new desktop environment, which aims more for PC instead of Console.

That's a terrible idea. Valve only wants to control the graphics drivers and at most a handful of packages that make the steam client and games work. The bare minimum, so what they did with Steamos. Of course, they need to control package versions if they want to sell it as part of their own control package, that's why they made Steamos at all in my opinion.

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Quoting: Thormack

Quoting: gojulSteamOS being Debian-based, recommending Debian or Mint/Debian would make a lot of sense. But it is true that Debian is not for beginners.

Agreed. Pure Debian is tricky to install, configure and maintain (compared to Ubuntu).
Perhaps Mint-Debian then...

Who knows.....

I never got what's tricky about installing Debian? Apart from it's partitioner not crashing like Ubuntus did when i last tried to install it. If you use graphical install, it shouldn't be harder than installing windows, or ubuntu. As i recall, it even asks the same questions.

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