Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: GuestMaybe a two month delay wasn't long enough?

Realistically no delay would have been long enough. This (like pretty much all consumer electronic products today) are a WIP and the consumer is the Alpha/Beta tester to some extent. It's just the way things are, the question is did they ship it in a good enough condition to be considered stable, workable and a good enough consumer experience out of the gate and from what i am seeing that is a yes, perhaps a too narrow of a yes for some but this is still early days.

No product is ever in perfect state, it's always just decision if it's good enough to be released.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: dibzI guess I remember reading somewhere that Verified required more then the game to just work and that there were other requirements like fonts and interface elements not being too small. I have a strong feeling that rather then tagging games into the playable category that hit those problems, they put them under Unsupported.

But then what's the "playable" category supposed to be for? Valve's definition has been that if it works just right, it's Verified, and if it works, but not just right, with problems like the ones you mention, it's Playable.
If they instead stuff all those in Unsupported, they've got two categories instead of three and they no longer have a category for things that actually don't work. It subtracts a lot of information, and worse, it's information they say they're giving you. If they're doing that it's a stupid move.
Maybe one of their QA people is just incompetent. Or maybe they're doing a thing where in some cases they send off an email to the developers about flaws and bung the game into Unsupported until they hear back--but you'd think they could leave it officially Untested, or maybe Playable, and just have an internal flag that they're waiting for feedback/changes.

Ethan Lee once said to me, "Valve are incompetent", and this seems to confirm it. There's a reason they shouldn't be relying on Proton and a reason people should take what Valve say with a large pinch of salt.

They're already doubling down on their claims of "Deck will play your entire Steam library" (it won't, because that's impossible).

From what I remember this statement was just misunderstanding, they meant that the hardware is capable to run your whole library, not that everything will work on the SteamOS 3.

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I saw plenty of games being Unsupported, but on SteamDB you can only see that "Valve is still working on it". For example Aliens vs. Predator [External Link].

I saw only two games (from 27 that are currently marked as unsupported in my library) that actually have a reason for being unsupported like Warhammer: Vermintide 2 [External Link] with anti-cheat support missing and Total War: WARHAMMER III [External Link] with "This game's graphics settings cannot be configured to run well on Steam Deck".

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They wouldn't have those problems if they just used anti-cheat on server side and strip it from client side.

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Quoting: GuestOne thing that came to my mind. If steam OS is the official supported OS, that comes preinstalled, does this means that running Windows, voids your warranty or you just cannot ask for support?, like you are in your own if you do that?

You are free to do anything with your Steam Deck, even installing Windows, but it will probably not run well. Similar handhelds with Windows usually are not that good in performance as Steam Deck.

Quoting: GuestGOG's stubbornness makes me sad. I'd buy alot more, even most of my games from them, if they gave just half a damn for the Linux library they do carry.

I feel you. I started to buy from them, because I don't like DRM, but most of the games just doesn't work as well as on Steam. So I ended up buying on Steam when possible and only buying nostalgic games on GOG.

Quoting: GuestI use Fedora and a lot of the games from my GOG library don't run out of the box. Sometimes they run but there's no controller support. So I just end up adding them and running them through Steam anyways. The only appeal they have now is to offer DRM free games.

Same here on Fedora Silverblue.

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Quoting: Zlopez

Quoting: jensI'm noticing the black structures as well. Really sad since this was the first AAA game I had completed on Linux, loved nearly every minute of that game.
Is there a way to keep the save games when switching to the Proton version?

They should be compatible. It shouldn't matter if you are playing Proton or native version of the game, the save game format should be the same.

Do you know that this works with TR2013 or is this just an assumption?

Just an assumption in this case.

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What was most confusing for me was the ability to pre-load game, but download failing with "app not yet released".

Otherwise I don't mind to wait a little for the Feral port, at least the bugs from the launch will be already fixed.

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Quoting: jensI'm noticing the black structures as well. Really sad since this was the first AAA game I had completed on Linux, loved nearly every minute of that game.
Is there a way to keep the save games when switching to the Proton version?

They should be compatible. It shouldn't matter if you are playing Proton or native version of the game, the save game format should be the same.

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Quoting: Zlopez

Quoting: slapinI guess people saying Proton runs better do that due to some almost religious reasons, as many run windows versions of native games "because they are intended to run this way" or "native Linux ports are not the same as original Windows games and I want original experience" and other obscure reasons, like save games compatibility. And most of them do not even check native port, which is very sad.

I don't think this is true, if you are running Linux and the native port is available, it's the first thing the Steam will try to run. If this doesn't work for you (I found multiple games, where this was true Saint's Row 2, Saint's Row: The Third, Amnesia: Rebirth, Knights & Merchants, Demetrios: The Cynical Adventure) you can try to switch to either Proton or Linux Runtime Container. I found in some cases Linux Runtime Container worked (and it's now working even in flatpak Steam), for example Amnesia: Rebirth was working as charm in Linux Runtime Container, crashed on start otherwise. But most of the others I mentioned were running better in Proton (in case of Demetrios and Knights & Merchants the Linux native version didn't even started on my OS).

Well, I had no problems running all these games natively and spent many hours in them. But I guess people just expect native port won't work and not even try to run natively (as it is seen on Proton github). I.e. SR2/SR3 runs nearly perfectly as well as Amnesia: Rebirth. But I use steam runtime which is for some people is something they won't use and prefer Proton instead which is strange to me.

Till recently the Linux Runtime Container wasn't a viable choice for me, because of the Steam in Flatpak not supporting container in container, which is supported in newer versions of flatpak without issue.

So I didn't have chance to try SR2, SR3 in Linux Runtime Container. But I'm very glad something like Linux Runtime Container exists, because it creates a stable environment that could be targeted by developers.

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Quoting: slapinI guess people saying Proton runs better do that due to some almost religious reasons, as many run windows versions of native games "because they are intended to run this way" or "native Linux ports are not the same as original Windows games and I want original experience" and other obscure reasons, like save games compatibility. And most of them do not even check native port, which is very sad.

I don't think this is true, if you are running Linux and the native port is available, it's the first thing the Steam will try to run. If this doesn't work for you (I found multiple games, where this was true Saint's Row 2, Saint's Row: The Third, Amnesia: Rebirth, Knights & Merchants, Demetrios: The Cynical Adventure) you can try to switch to either Proton or Linux Runtime Container. I found in some cases Linux Runtime Container worked (and it's now working even in flatpak Steam), for example Amnesia: Rebirth was working as charm in Linux Runtime Container, crashed on start otherwise. But most of the others I mentioned were running better in Proton (in case of Demetrios and Knights & Merchants the Linux native version didn't even started on my OS).

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