I would love to see this game on Linux and furthermore I really hope that Vulkan version will outperform DX12 on both Windows and Linux :) This would be great showcase of the superiority of Vulkan not only in openness but also in cross-platform performance :D

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Quoting: AnxiousInfusionLooking forward most to Worst Practices talk. Vulkan leaves a lot of room for screw ups and I'm eager to see just how bad it can get.

It does, but also leaves a lot of room for great performance increases to squeeze most out of the availible hardware power. Now devs will show not only their story ideas but also their programming and coding skills and true optimizations, because when games are poor optimized people won't blame Nvidia and MS's dx and Khronos's Vulkan, but rather will blame the poor optimization from developer's side which in my opinion is very healthy for developers to take care about, so Nvidia/AMD can take more time developing best possible Vulkan drivers and less time optimizing and fixing poor developers' faults in their titles...

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Quoting: LeopardActually we're all depending on Gaben's attitude. I spoke based on " he will never cut a deal with MS" guess.

If MS approaches him like a solution like that ; Windows 10S is our future and this will not let anything outside of our store and Steam is a piece of software that needs to be installed outside of store. So what're you saying that Steam in Windows Store? If you're saying no ; then you can't sell games anymore on Windows.

If Gaben says yes to that , you can consider that Linux gaming will be dead. But this also means that MS will get their share from Gaben , because they exist on store and it has a price.

We're all depending on Gaben's attitude.

You REALLY think that MS would even bother approaching Gaben and asking him to put DIRECT COMPETITION to their UWP on their own Store... I doubt that, they will just ignore Steam and push their stuff and eventually even try making Steam uninstallable on Windows, it would be good for their store and terrible for consumers

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Quoting: ghem

Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: ghemAwesome news <3
I sense an AMD APU based Steam Machine in a not so distant future :woot:

Aww thats cute you think Steam machines are still a thing

People fail to realize that Valve is in for the long term (I know, not a popular notion these days with shareholders impatient to get their 300% ROI in 6 months).
People also fail to realize Steam machines are not only there to protect Valve's market against microsoft, it's equally a tool to grab market share from consoles.

And no Steam Machines are not dead.
Valve did launch them because it was be the only way to actually work out in the open and to generate an initial interest so as to get things going.
Currently, they're doing all the required, laborious work on the ecosystem: removing roadblocks (AMD drivers), improving the experience (Steam controller, BPM), pushing Vulkan.
Though they still are lagging severely behind in the video department (Netflix, Youtube, etc.)

Only when the ecosystem is ready will it be the time for a big push.
Tough I don't really have a clue as to how to do that.
Release a standard, officially endorsed Steam Machine?
Release a new Valve game with a temporary SteamOS / Linux exclusivity? (I know they don't like exclusive games, but who knows)

They pushed Steam by making it a requirement for Half-Life but they can't do the same with SteamOS because it would be too intrusive for the user. So I wonder how they would entice people to switch, how they would differentiate themselves in the eyes of the average consumer.
What could you do on a Steam machine that you wouldn't be able to on a windows PC or a console? Or that you would be able to do in a better or different way?
So far, I only see the Steam controller, but I wonder if that's enough

Valve doesn't want to use MS's and Sony's anti-consumer strategies to force people into using Linux because they want people to use whatever the heck they want. They have no reason to push people into linux, if Windows becomes a jail SteamOS is their Plan B which is already pretty great, a lot of games, one big push with BPM upgrade to have more features and third party "apps" and some contracts with game devs and they're automatically in the console market EASILY + bringing all the goodies of Open platform with that.

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Quoting: MohandevirI'm really curious to see what the desktop landscape will look like in 5 to 10 years from now.

For sure Win10S and Surface devices is the way of the future in Microsoft's mind. They are really stubborn about the Windows Store and the lock down that comes with it, but what's in it for us PC Gamers? Streaming devices for Xbox Scorpio? Is this what they are thinking? Is this Microsoft's vision of the post traditional desktop era?

If that's the case, Valve needs SteamOS more than ever.

Yeah, here's my prediction of MS's idea for desktop:
1. Everyone uses Windows 10
2. Everyone uses all x32 and x64 software and mobile software as long as it's from our store (we get money for that)
3. Every company pays us to have their software on our store and we take a nice part of their profit
4. We spy on all our fellow users and use the data collected to make us more money
5. We crush our biggest concurrents by not allowing them to have software on our store like gaming - Valve, GOG, EA, Blizzard, Ubisoft and all their native clients, office department and similar

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Quoting: bingusWell, fighting for their money. They are hardly doing it for our freedom :)

That is an ally: simply in this case Valve's goals are aligned with those of the Linux community. Let us use it and don't expect more than that.

The best that could happen to Linux is MS shutting off Steam on Windows. Boom, and a new platform is born.

That said, it would be nice if Valve made it easier to install non-Steam games on SteamOS from within the BPM, for starters by removing the limitation that .desktop files should have no spaces in exec lines, but also by providing a limited graphical sudo interface in the BPM.

True, but fight for freedom of certain platform in this case PC in general is good for all independent companies like Valve, for Windows users and for Linux users, choices and concurence can never be bad and that's great for consumers as well. MS is just trying to close things down slowly to at least get Windows Store and UWP going, but it's hardly getting any attention, it's hard to look innovative with closing down platform (like Win 10s announcement) and they actually looked silly with the reasons they stated since all of that was already availible in regular Windows for NOT RETARDED system admins.

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I don't know how to feel about that, I certainly have a feeling that Valve really only looks for their interest. Steam OS was terrible for quite a while and people owning the "consoles" with SteamOS couldn't do much with them, even play newest games because of outdated drivers.

It is strange how they rolled Steam OS update soon after MS has announced Win 10S and even more changes coming to Win10 that will further lock it down.

Firstly they thought MS has retreated back with pushing their store after the Win10 release, but now when they're massively pushing it again and furthermore this time their store is of bigger quality than it was before they're starting to get worried again...

Hopefully Valve will win, at least they are fighting for their freedom and consequently for user freedoms as well, only thing I can say so far.

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Wow, one of the first games of new Unity engine to get Vulkan support! I'm incredibly excited to see performance boost (hopefully) and general behavior of Vulkan on Unity games. Also I'm so glad to see Vulkan getting pretty well adopted this year.

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Quoting: 0aTT

Quoting: Mountain ManIf they had done their job right, they could have had the Linux version out yesterday. When will developers learn that trying back into a Linux port is the wrong way to do it?

But Doom runs better than most ports. Much faster and more stable. And the steam hardware survey identifies wine. But as good as no one plays under wine. Except it is a wineport.

We have to wait, but it could be that with Vulkan simply no more ports are needed. That would be quite great. Perhaps Valve can automatically port the games in the future.

EDIT: The bad thing though is that the publishers do not provide support. But just by not doing this it could be very attractive for them to publish there games with Vulkan. ;)

Doom performing same as on Windows isn't surprising since the driver is the same...

The guy you quoted wasn't talking about ports, he was talking that if they had written game from the ground up with cross-platform in mind, the game would work very well on all platforms. Simple as that :)

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Quoting: salamanderrakeYou mean like the broken vulkan in dota 2?

It actually performs better for me than the OpenGL, but experience may vary between different hardware setups.

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