Quoting: Eike

Quoting: baccilusIs there a steamplay curator on steam itself? I know about SPCR.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/1734336452596897848/ [External Link]

But AFAIR they found that a curator cannot recommend more than one thousand games.

Thank you. Was looking for something like that. Someone suggesting just the great games would be better though!

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Is there a steamplay curator on steam itself? I know about SPCR.

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Quoting: devnullBold move going with the FBI. CS should have just stuck with Terrorist and Counter-Terrorist otherwise they run a risk of being labeled biased (sick I know). This is something Valve understood going back to September 11, 2001. Put another way, are they going to allow other national police forces? Who decides?

I'm not advocating such stupidity I'm saying at the rate we're going it's inevitable the left will take issue with this too.

+1 graphic quality though, they've done some serious work on the textures and maps.

@KayKay91 you mean this one from 2014 [External Link] ? Not likely.

I am an Indian and like most others here, have grown up watching American movies (where it is hard not to feel patriotic. for America. LOL). This is nothing to be offended about.

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Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: tuubiI don't hold every single modern-day Brit responsible for the atrocities committed in the name of the British empire,

But you should and that's where you fail here.

Don't enslave yourself to a lifetime of victim-hood with that thought process. Everyone has battles to fight. Sooner or later you will have to let go of that anger.

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@TheSyldat, this tribal mindset is very negative. For people to look beyond your gender identity, you will have to do so too. And if you try to make up for past injustice on the group you identify with, by being harsh on other groups, do you think anything good will come off it?

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: slaapliedjeBeing paranoid because you might use the wrong pronoun to address someone is rather kind of silly once you think about it...

Apparently there's one thing we can agree on. It is a really silly thing to be paranoid about, and merits some self-analysis on the part of the sufferer.

My suggestion: Let's adopt Finnish as the official language of the Internet. We have no gendered pronouns to trigger this preposterous phobia.

I'll pretend you didn't write the rest of your post because it's simply too sad to contemplate.

I can agree on adopting Finnish, English kind of sucks.

For the rest of what I wrote... I have dealt with overly religious people all my life, and have multiple family members with mental illness. One of which at one point thought he was Jesus and at another that he was going to invent a water powered engine. A comment that five pieces of chicken on a plate meant that five people were going to die that night....

I have also been friends with MANY people who have had identity crises throughout their lives, but that usually results in people not knowing what to do for a living, not what even the most basic thing we are by our very chromosomes. This to me means we are at a strange point in our civilization / evolution where people are 'allowed' to contemplate such things.

Before anyone says I am evil, let me explain (which will help explain my previous post).

In previous eras there was always some huge calamity, war, depression, plague, etc. The mere survival of humankind or at least groups of it, would not allow people to even really have time to think if they should be a man or a woman or a they. We now live in a time where there really is no war to protest, homosexuals are widely accepted, and for the most part things are going pretty well for the first time in the world for a decade.

There is always going to be a group of people that are outraged about something, whether they are justified or not. I recall some gay people a while back comparing their hardships to black people, and I thought that ridiculous. Now this outcry from non-binaries feels similar, with outcries of being repressed or not accepted. If people are not accepting them in social circles, why do they feel that github is a social circle and that Codes of Conduct must be pushed on everyone?

When it would be easier in a digital community to have a 'vote off the island' system for when they are being a dick. If this truly was a 'don't be a dick' document, then I think everyone can agree to it, if someone was potentially being a dick, they should be called out on it, and most likely they will stop and try a bit harder to be nondickish.

Vaguery helps no one, if everyone labels a person a dick they can then vote them out.

Actual community syle.

(The burning child analogy was meant to point out some people egg on being insulted / abused because they like it. If they keep insisting to be called something (outside of say having an alias online, like "my name is maple_syrup, but I identify as unicorn horn, so call me that..." yeah, I am going to call you maple_syrup because I can always copy/paste the name.))

You are bad at analogies but I get your point. They overreact because it works. They mislabel those they don't like and from then point onward, they believe their own words. e.g., if they call someone Nazi, from that point onward, they will only tallk about the dangers of Nazism. They will not define what being a nazi is and if the person they called a nazi can be called one.
One more important change that occurs when this ideology percolates an organization is that people loose the concept of degrees of badness. e.g., catcalling is equated with all kinds of assaults. Saying something hurtful can be compared with causing physical harm. And so there are no degrees of punishments either.

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Quoting: tuubiAnd how often does that happen to you? My social skills aren't great, and I've had to apologize after some of my worst jokes to my friends on occasion, but I've always deserved the backlash. Still, I don't remember any occasion where I had to "clear my name" because of something I did on the Internet. So no, I don't get your doomsday mentality. Not that this has anything to do with the CoC of the Linux kernel.

Quoting: baccilusIs there anything in the world that can convince you that this CoC has hidden agendas?

No

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: baccilusThat is why the burden of proof lies with the one making an accusation. A vague CoC does away with that.

Yet even a vague CoC gives some definition as to what actually is an offence that warrants action and who gets to decide on the verdict. Without a written document, it's all arbitrary. Naturally there needs to be proof of said offence, but that and witnesses are usually easy to provide in these cases. It's the Internet after all.

And please, remember that project management and criminal justice are two very different things. Not being allowed to contribute to a volunteer open source project isn't exactly a death sentence. It might hurt your career of course if your contributions are on behalf of your employer, but there's a simple solution: Treat others with respect and don't be a dick.

Problem is not "a written document". Problem is "this written document."

Quoting: tuubibut there's a simple solution: Treat others with respect and don't be a dick.

Behaviour which is respectful in your opinion may be dicklike for someone else. What if the other person turns around makes a complaint against you for that? Would you like the hassle of clearing your name every time you utter a word? If you think this example is far fetched, let me tell you that it is not.

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Quoting: Dolus

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: DolusHere, is a little something that might blow your mind: I do not care. I do not care about a contributors sexuality, religion or political affiliation. If their contributions make Linux a better kernel, they should be allowed to contribute. That is how it should be. Instead we now have these neon haired puritans

So, not their sexuality, religion or political affiliation, but you do care about the colour of their hair.

That is about political 'leanings' as opposed to an official affiliation with any particular party. And that is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. There really is only one group wearing the neon hair right now. And it's not the anime community anymore. And I'm a bisexual deist, btw, so you can take everything else you were trying to imply here and shove it.

I'm about done with this community. Were it not for RMS and GNU taking a stand against this CoC, I'd be done with open source/Free Software in general. This community, on the whole, has been more than happy to go about mocking people like RMS and ESR all day for their lack of social graces FOR DECADES, but, suddenly, sexist bigoted bullies (you want proof, I'll be more than happy to link you to Coraline's Twitter posts) like Coraline Ada are lionized and protected from critical comments.

A year from now Linux is going to end up JUST like FreeBSD. Half of the community is going to pack up and leave because they were accused of being everything from a Nazi (I saved a screen cap, btw) to a *phobe of every variety JUST for believing this CoC is not *just* about playing nice. And this entire thread shows that to be true.

You really are going overboard here. Calm down.
a) Coraline is in no way involved in the Linux kernel. You are bringing her into this discussion when she has nothing to do with it beyond authoring the CoC. And if that's sufficient to destroy a project, you'd best tell Google, Microsoft, Apple, and thousands of Open Source projects that apparently they shouldn't be in existence because they use the same CoC. Let me repeat this: Coraline has _no_ involvement in the decisions made about the CoC as it relates to the Linux kernel. None.
b) RMS disapproves of codes of conduct in general, but otherwise this doesn't affect him. That's all he's said. Hardly "taking a stand".
c) It's really easy to have a discussion disagreeing without stating that half the community will be accused of being a Nazi (and actually, looking back, I don't think you were - but I do see how you might have felt that way). It's not about disagreeing that a few are having problems about with your comments - it's the way you're coming across (hint: not as reasonable). You're own words are aggressive. This will only result in people being aggressive back to you, and you don't then have the right to complain about it. Calm down, at least try be more reasoned, see where it gets you. Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you here.

Is there anything in the world that can convince you that this CoC has hidden agendas? What if people start getting called Nazis, racist, *phobes at the drop of a hat, and suffering on that account?
This CoC is wrapped in a noble wrapper of inclusiveness and diversity, and people who are supporting it without being SJW themselves, just refuse to unwrap it to see whats inside. Supporting this CoC seems like the virtuous thing to do. By defending it, one can feel good about oneself.

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Quoting: Arehandoro

Quoting: baccilus

Quoting: Arehandoro

Quoting: baccilus

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" ~ Sir William Blackstone

Off Topic: If by letting escape ten guilty persons another ten innocents suffer...

That is a dangerous line of thinking. So people should suffer because of potential crimes?

Of course not! What I was trying to say is that the original sentence isn't as simple/easy as Blackstone put it. It a much more complex topic than to summarise it in a phrase.

That single sentence is one of the most important aspect of the judicial systems around the world. My guess is that it is because it is a lot more harmful for the society to persecute innocents than to let criminals walk free (in absence of convincing evidence). That is why the burden of proof lies with the one making an accusation. A vague CoC does away with that.

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