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Quoting: Dribbleondo> TF2 feels like it has no identity, it feels…bland.

Strongly and violently disagree.

I've no doubt plenty will, what games people like is a very subjective thing.

But it already had great vibrant characters 10 years before Overwatch, and they already had shorts about the characters and comics and... hats! Many many hats! :(

I just don't see it. To me, TF2 has such a basic and uninteresting design to it. It has as much character as any other shooter out there. I mean, just look at the classes, they're extremely generic. You have a Medic, a Soldier and so on. Where's the character in that? There is none.

Yes, A mad scientist medic who uses a healy-beam medi-gun to heal people, a soldier who can rocket jump and is overly patriotic to the extreme. The scout who is cocky and boastful 24/7, The spy, enigmatic, hard to play, and very rewarding when played well. Totally boring classes that have different weapons for different situations. The game has character, you're just not seeing it.

All men, all masculine, all stereotypes from 20 years ago.

They are diverse for the time they where created. Now, they are bland and lack any interesting characteristic for me.

Did you just pull the diversity card?! Seriously? Mat Pat tried that in a deadlock video and...well it didn't go well for him. Making your game more diverse does not make it any better.

I get you have a strong opinion on it, but I feel people who care a lot about a specific game tend to (unintentionally) put themselves in a box about it in relation to anything else.

As always, it's a subjective thing. For some it matters, for some it doesn't. To outright say it doesn't matter though, I think is a little close-minded.

My words were: "Making your game more diverse does not make it any better", not "Making your game more diverse does not matter". Diversity in Videogames matters to an extent, as people of those races, ethnicities might pick up the game because they feel included. But it doesn't make the gameplay mechanics any better than if everyone was male (which in TF2's case, isn't even true anyway, as The Announcer is Female, as is Miss Pauling, a merc who gives you contracts in-game.)

Diversity card? Why is it a problem that I want to be able to identify with characters in a game? Why is it a problem that I want to see in the games I play the same kind of society I live in?

There can be games with awesome mechanics but that some people will not want to play because they can't identify with characters, even more when is a game with a sort of futuristic theme(medigun seems like futuristic tech).

Also, why are you so moved by the fact that people find the lack of diversity on TF2 something bad? Does diversity makes a game worse? Because for me diversity makes a game better, two games with the same gameplay and mechanics one with diverse characters and one without, the diverse one will always be better.

As for the announcer and the merc who gives you contracts in-game, they are not payable. And they are almost irrelevant, I played TF2 for years without even noticing it( I don't even remember this merch? Is it from the coop play? I never can get a open sever for it and after the game became f2p I need to wait an eternity to get into a server, so that plus lack of diversity made me kinda gave up on it).

I never said Diversity didn't matter. I even said it did matter, to an extent. If you like playing Overwatch or other games because of the diverse character cast, then go ahead, I'm not gonna stop you. I actually encourage it, you do you.

As for The Announcer and Miss Pauling, they are integral to the Games's lore and story. You may not be able to play as them, but writing TF2 off and claiming TF2 has a lack of diversity is just plain wrong. My point was that the games' mechanics aren't affected by skin colour or character personality.

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Quoting: NezchanBut is it still bland? I was told it has no identity. :D

I don't think Liam's ever gonna live that comment down.

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: Dribbleondo> TF2 feels like it has no identity, it feels…bland.

Strongly and violently disagree.

I've no doubt plenty will, what games people like is a very subjective thing.

But it already had great vibrant characters 10 years before Overwatch, and they already had shorts about the characters and comics and... hats! Many many hats! :(

I just don't see it. To me, TF2 has such a basic and uninteresting design to it. It has as much character as any other shooter out there. I mean, just look at the classes, they're extremely generic. You have a Medic, a Soldier and so on. Where's the character in that? There is none.

Yes, A mad scientist medic who uses a healy-beam medi-gun to heal people, a soldier who can rocket jump and is overly patriotic to the extreme. The scout who is cocky and boastful 24/7, The spy, enigmatic, hard to play, and very rewarding when played well. Totally boring classes that have different weapons for different situations. The game has character, you're just not seeing it.

All men, all masculine, all stereotypes from 20 years ago.

They are diverse for the time they where created. Now, they are bland and lack any interesting characteristic for me.

Did you just pull the diversity card?! Seriously? Mat Pat tried that in a deadlock video and...well it didn't go well for him. Making your game more diverse does not make it any better.

I get you have a strong opinion on it, but I feel people who care a lot about a specific game tend to (unintentionally) put themselves in a box about it in relation to anything else.

As always, it's a subjective thing. For some it matters, for some it doesn't. To outright say it doesn't matter though, I think is a little close-minded.

My words were: "Making your game more diverse does not make it any better", not "Making your game more diverse does not matter". Diversity in Videogames matters to an extent, as people of those races, ethnicities might pick up the game because they feel included. But it doesn't make the gameplay mechanics any better than if everyone was male (which in TF2's case, isn't even true anyway, as The Announcer is Female, as is Miss Pauling, a merc who gives you contracts in-game.)

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Quoting: gabberCommands to run to get it up with protontricks:

sudo python3 -m pip install git+https://github.com/Matoking/protontricks.git
protontricks 444090 dotnet40

Maybe worth adding to the article

Giggling at "Pip"

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Quoting: Dribbleondo

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Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: Dribbleondo> TF2 feels like it has no identity, it feels…bland.

Strongly and violently disagree.

I've no doubt plenty will, what games people like is a very subjective thing.

But it already had great vibrant characters 10 years before Overwatch, and they already had shorts about the characters and comics and... hats! Many many hats! :(

I just don't see it. To me, TF2 has such a basic and uninteresting design to it. It has as much character as any other shooter out there. I mean, just look at the classes, they're extremely generic. You have a Medic, a Soldier and so on. Where's the character in that? There is none.

Yes, A mad scientist medic who uses a healy-beam medi-gun to heal people, a soldier who can rocket jump and is overly patriotic to the extreme. The scout who is cocky and boastful 24/7, The spy, enigmatic, hard to play, and very rewarding when played well. Totally boring classes that have different weapons for different situations. The game has character, you're just not seeing it.

All men, all masculine, all stereotypes from 20 years ago.

They are diverse for the time they where created. Now, they are bland and lack any interesting characteristic for me.

Did you just pull the diversity card?! Seriously? Mat Pat tried that in a deadlock video and...well it didn't go well for him. Making your game more diverse does not make it any better.

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Quoting: emp64Speaking of EAC, I found out that in the new Insurgency Sandstorm there is a 4.2MiB easyanticheat_x64.so file ... maybe they are working on a Linux version.

There already is a native version of EAC.

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This is very good news =D

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: Dribbleondo> TF2 feels like it has no identity, it feels…bland.

Strongly and violently disagree.

I've no doubt plenty will, what games people like is a very subjective thing.

But it already had great vibrant characters 10 years before Overwatch, and they already had shorts about the characters and comics and... hats! Many many hats! :(

I just don't see it. To me, TF2 has such a basic and uninteresting design to it. It has as much character as any other shooter out there. I mean, just look at the classes, they're extremely generic. You have a Medic, a Soldier and so on. Where's the character in that? There is none.

Yes, A mad scientist medic who uses a healy-beam medi-gun to heal people, a soldier who can rocket jump and is overly patriotic to the extreme. The scout who is cocky and boastful 24/7, The spy, enigmatic, hard to play, and very rewarding when played well. Totally boring classes that have different weapons for different situations. The game has character, you're just not seeing it.

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> TF2 feels like it has no identity, it feels…bland.

Strongly and violently disagree.

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