Six year old game right? Hmmm, god... Vulkan can't get here any faster!

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I love System76. I own a Galagos Pro. However, I am not blind to the price... they are overpriced for several of their items. I have heard all the comments about... but they support linux (and so on) but to be honest.... there are cheaper alternatives that work just as well with linux if you know how to configure. The first thing I did when I got my Galagos was wipe it and install Arch and have had no issues... so coming with Ubuntu already installed is not really a plus unless it is for someone just starting out or does not have the time (not much time needed but hey). In todays age of computers I have not found to many issues with buying any of the manufactures desktops or laptops when using linux that could not be resolved with a kernel compile, patch, or downloading the right package from a manager to resolve an issue. If you want to spend money to support a small business that provides linux out of the box for their products... then fine... but you could also save some cash and buy an alternative with the same or better internals for less or the same amount of monney.

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Quoting: Kimyriellebut others I couldn't get to run for the life of me (e.g. the Steam version of The Sims 3), others had their support suddenly broken by patches (e.g. Elder Scrolls Online), and yet others run so badly in WINE that keeping a Windows partition around is a much smarter choice (e.g. Star Trek Online, Guild Wars 2).

Totally agree.. wine can be a pain but once set up... no real issues unless the game just isn't able to be run because of some DirectX or anti-cheat software causing issue. Though it could be hit or miss depending on what hardware you have and finding the right overides for your wine setup based on your specific hardware could work wonders --> DLL Overides overides might help if you have not implemented them. My overides are: WINEDLLOVERIDES="GALLIUM_HUD=fps,MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE="4.1COMPAT",vblank_mode=0,export,force_s3tc_enable=true,STAGING_SHARED_MEMORY=1,STAGING_WRITECOPY=1" Some of this is overkill but it works for Hounds the Last Hope (took me forever to figure this out and I have used it on everything else from that point forward). I don't question it as alot of it was luck on my part and my games start... all trial and error (I am sure someone reading this will point out flaws in implementation... all I know is it works for me on my specific hardware). Of course I installed some necessary stuff thru winetricks too and made some config changes dependent on the game but it all is under one wine build for steam. I recommend putting it in a script that runs from desktop. Additionally, that script can be run like a game thru native steam so you can now use the steam controller when initiating wine games.

I have Guild Wars2 in a seperate wine build from my Steam account using the provided DLLOVERIDES and it has played without issue and always updates without problem... and I have a significantly lesser card and processor than you have so DLLOVERIDES maybe the culprit and could help your situation.. not sure if it is but trying to be helpful since we have some of the same games. Since setting things up properly... all other games seem to have no issues installing under one wine build... I know that's a no no but I have had no issues... I just seperate 32 bit builds and 64 bit builds and apply appropriately --no fuss.

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Quoting: minidoucould you be any more toxic...

Probably but wasn't trying to be.

Quoting: ShoNuffIF this game works on wine and gets similar FPS to windows install, I guarantee you will buy and play in secret all while claiming NATIVE ONLY (in nerd voice).

Quoting: minidouI'm afraid that's not going to happen

We'll never know what you actually do but I would wager that the majority of people who don't dual boot are going to use wine to play this game.

Quoting: ShoNuffThere is a plethora of games that run better or just as good as windows through wine! I am an NVIDIA user and run a ton of games thru Steam using wine... it's not hard to do. The majority of wine complainers probably don't understand how to run the wine Prefix or for that matter write a script to run it from desktop.

Quoting: minidouno need for the condescending tone, geez

Dude, this is not condescending more like likely the case more times than not. Also, I am not saying wine is a golden ticket where every game runs perfectly but definitely happening on many of them. Not going to go thru each game but check out what WoW players are getting using wine as only one example (it's an old game sure but it's been getting steady performance that IMO is not far from Windows and in some cases better)... if that is not enough I am sure there is enough youtube videos for you to comb thru if you choose to do so. Some of these videos demonstrate failed fps performance as well, along with successful wine implimentation. Hell, recent personal experience has me playing FFXIV Heavensward from wine, exhibiting very good performance too.

Quoting: minidouI use wine form previously bought games that don't have linux binaries, and I certainly know how to get good performance and have my ways with multiple prefixes. I am thankful for the work of wine developers, as I'm sure everyone is.
Still is hardly convenient to check wich prefix and setting to use everytime you install a game. It's fine that you are content with wine solution, but I believe in the necessity not to reward videogame makers without linux builds, and I can easily fight the urge to play the latest overhyped crazes.

Not content but being realistic. Until Vulkan is a true reality and games are predominately based on it implimentation.. more times if the game is not native to linux --> than wine, dual booting or going straight windows is going to be it for pc players.

Quoting: minidouHave been living solely on Linux for almost two years now, never been so satisfied with an OS.

I have been solely on linux since 2003 if we are seeing whose is bigger.

Quoting: tuubiI don't need to endure anything, and I'm not using Linux for the "principle". If anything, I run Linux for the convenience. Linux works for me, and no game is worth the pain in the neck that is Windows.
yes, amazes me that people refuse to see linux as an alternative when all I hear about windows nowadays is people complaining about fucked up drivers, updates resetting windows settings, privacy concern about the gazilion data-gathering dorment processes that are a pain to disable, useless preinstalled microsoft apps,... Windows really has lost a lot in its maintenance easiness

I completely agree and support anyones decision not to play poplular games... no matter the OS if they have some personal conviction not to do so. But for those who simply want to game... and game on linux... holding out in hope for developers to recognize linux gamers is an uphill battle and will ultimately leave you (not you personally) playing the occasional very well made Indie game (nothing wrong with that but to be honest they are hit or miss).

I applaud the wine developers and will contribute a huge donation by years end. If you find what was said offending get over it... wasn't my intent. *My last response on this topic.

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Quoting: WorMzyDeus Ex now seems to work properly.

That's awesome and have been waiting to hear this good news. I have been waiting to play this game since it came out but it has not been able to start.

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Quoting: tuubiI'll test myself as soon as this appears in the PPA.

Command line it if you don't want to wait: sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-375.26.run

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI've been known to use a Windows partition for some things, although I'm not doing either just lately. But unlike some, I am not so insecure as to lose it and ooze spite when I encounter someone whose commitment to some ethic is stronger than mine. Sorry, but there really are some people who are willing to endure inconvenience for a principle, and it is the mark of a very small person to pretend they are lying in an attempt to bring them down to one's own level.

Endure on. Linux, Windows... doesn't really matter... it's all about choice at the end of the day. You wait for native or play through wine --completely your choice. Most of us will probably be playing this on wine though... to be honest.

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Quoting: ShugyoushaHe has never been paid for his work though.

Wow! Incredibly dumb move on the company or they don't care because the loss of talent may not reflect in their metrics for sales???

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Quoting: tuubiPlease simmer down, folks. I really don't understand why this is such a combustible issue. Linux isn't a religion. This isn't a holy war. Wine isn't heresy, nor is it perfect. It's okay to have different levels of commitment to "the cause", and we absolutely don't need to divide everything into stuff we all hate and stuff we love. Windows gamers aren't our enemies. In fact they might very well be future Linux gamers.
PS: A Linux gamer mocking nerds... Anybody else smell the irony? :whistle:

Mocking not at all... wanted you to here the nerd voice lol. I reiterate, some people are full of it... native is an ideal but to say you won't play a game like Overwatch thru wine... don't believe it! Personally, I hope they can get Titanfall2 running thru wine.... if it happens, take my money right now... and am sure others would follow!

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Truly a sad day for ROCCAT. Hopefully they find a replacement for the loss of talent because their products are top tier and need to stay that way, from a support perspective!

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