Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: CatKiller

• developer promises Mac & Linux support


• developer breaks promise, demonstrating that they can't be trusted


• developer promises Steam Deck support


• ...

• Linux users happily buy developer's Windows-exclusive product


• …

Love it or hate it, such a world we are living in. Linux is irrelevant. This story will (I suppose) prove this developer's initial assertion of the market was spot-on. It is better to ignore Linux completely -- less hassle that way and no real monetary loss.

Speak for yourself. I only buy Windows-only games at absolutely rock bottom prices and rarely even then - most of my Windows library post-2013 is from Humble Monthly/Choice. I've bought several native titles at full price though.

Also, I tend to remember developer's antics. I'm not buying from these guys - they promised Linux support, then dropped it like a hot potato once they were funded. Absolute fraud move. I have no time for them. They're up there with THQ Nordic for their 8chan "shout out to Mark" antics and Epic Games for their exclusivity bull.

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Quoting: FredrikI really doubt it, its way to buggy and slow compared to gnome atm, they where catching up, but then gnome released gnome 41 and its even faster then xfce.

Are you saying XFCE is buggy and slow? Isn't XFCE known/respected as one of the faster/lighter DEs out there? And what bugs are you referring to? Have you experienced any? Because again, XFCE is ancient and fairly stable in terms of development. I'd very surprised if there were significant bugs still affecting the experience these days. When did you last try it??

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I like the look of this - reminds me of Invisible Inc, which I raved about in my PIN review (THREE YEARS ago?? WTH!!). I'll be wishlisting this for sure.

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Quoting: drmothDo I really have to spell it out for you?

Yes? Because I've never experienced any breakage?

You listed four issues from your 2 minute search, three of which are unofficial theme issues and one appears to be a broken Manjaro install. Maybe KDE has some quality issues on the "Get New Themes" site, but I have about 20 themes installed and as I say... never experienced an issue. As for Manjaro, I had lots of issues with it, but KDE ran flawlessly, so presumably that near-two year old bug you referenced has been addressed.

I'm trying to decipher the weird language people employ when they have (often misplaced) preconceptions about things. It's frustrating to hear generalised, unconstructive feedback on anything ("it's clunky", "it's bloated", "it breaks") - but it's even more frustrating if/when you discover it's entirely unjustified.

As for Gnome, btw, I've never had it "break" either (visually or otherwise). The only problem I have with Gnome is that extensions frequently refuse to install. That's not "breakage" in my book, just a maintenance issue (and sometimes a dependency issue). It could use more polish, for sure.

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Quoting: furaxhornyxI also find it buggy and clunky as well

Can you be specific? What bugs did you encounter? How is it clunky?

I loved Cinnamon and still have three of my four devices (for my wife and two sons) running Mint in the house. But after using KDE on my own machine, I've found my new home. And the reason for the change remains - xrDesktop doesn't support Cinnamon - it only supports Gnome and KDE, so those are my choices. Gnome is great (with enough extensions), but I'm blown away by KDE.

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Quoting: omer666It's kind of bloated

I'm gonna start sounding like a rabid KDE fanboy here, but I'm really curious by the language people use when talking about it. What makes KDE bloated?

I get your other point, sure. There's definitely a little more "interface" showing in KDE apps, than gnome. Not much though, in my experience and the more I use KDE apps like the file manager and the PDF viewer, the more I realise how much extremely useful functionality I've been missing thanks to all my years on Gnome.

Like Dolphin - I launched Nautilus every single day of my life and every time, I had to move the window to its location on the bottom left, navigate quickly to my Downloads directory, then open a new tab and navigate that to Documents. On Dolphin, all of that happens when I launch it (it remembers its window position and its last-opened tabs). Miraculous.

But back to "bloated". How so? What would you change to unbloat it?

(I've heard rumours that KDE is lighter in RAM/CPU than Gnome these days, so presumably it's not that kind of bloat we're talking about, but interesting if it is!)

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Quoting: milkyEasy to see why Valve would go with KDE on something like the Deck, where it can be tweaked and kept in the background. But barring some massive changes to the landscape I'd never, ever use it on the desktop. Just far too clunky, buggy, and ugly.

Good god, when was the last time you tried it? It's not clunky any more, although editing the panel should be easier, I admit. Buggy? I've not experienced a single bug. Not sure how prevalent bugs on DEs are - can't imagine they last long after being reported. As for ugly - there's way more themes on stock KDE than you get on Gnome, even when delving into Gnome-look for further customisation. KDE is stunning these days. But then, frankly, all the DEs are stunning these days. If you think there's a reasonably modern, yet ugly DE out there, you're just not trying! Check out the screenshot thread for some inspiration, maybe?

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Quoting: NezchanAnd here's me sitting back on MATE with a bowl of popcorn, watching the show.

Does KDE still have all those large, ugly desktop widgets that were still around a couple of years ago when I last checked it out?

Nah, the widgets seem very refined these days, but they're still there if you want them, or ignore them if you don't. Before my conversion a few months back, I was (like you, I suspect) put off by KDE's insistence that I create a fairly ugly "desktop" widget just so that I could see my desktop icons.

Ironically, I rarely use desktop icons these days, but they work normally now, so you only use widgets (like I do) if you want some core functionality - in my case, a groceries list. The clock is actually conky.

BTW - Mate can be quite pretty, but I felt that it needed quite a lot of customisation to be be so. The absolutely tiny window grab handles were also an issue, especially on 4K. Haven't used it in about two years though, so maybe they fixed both!

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Quoting: AcrophobicUser can change the theme and wallpaper.
There are no shortage of applications for Windows, and the installation can be done really easy.
All hardware are compatible with Windows.
Windows has a good backward compatibility, so even app from 30 years ago still usable and perfectly running in Windows 10 (my dad for some reasons hate Excel and still uses Lotus 123).

Your Dad must be using a fairly rare version of 32-bit Windows 10 then, otherwise, there's quite a few problems trying to get Lotus 123 running on that platform. It apparently ran well on Win 7, so maybe your Dad did an in-place upgrade?

That's a strength, and also a core weakness of Windows. Yes, old programs often work well. But that comes at the cost of enormous bloat, and backwards compatibility choking off future innovation.

Also, try running some old games on Windows 10 and you'll often be out of luck, oddly enough. You're likely going to have an easier time on Linux! :grin: I suppose you can always just re-purchase them on GOG to take the pain away though.

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I've a Gnome guy since I started on Linux, albeit dabbling with various other DEs over the years. Nothing outside of Gnome felt like home, however. Until about 3 months ago when I gave KDE another shot and discovered that I could get the exact same experience/workflow, but without the various dumbed-down apps. Gnome will always have a special place in my heart, but I'm a KDE convert now.

I think it was the last round of Nautilus removals that pushed me over the edge. Sure, there was always Nemo if I couldn't handle it any longer, but I have to say Dolphin is an absolute joy to work with.

Gotta love the choice Linux gives you.

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