Quoting: drmothI am looking at KDE right now as the only alternative, but it's always had too much bling and too many settings, leading to rapid breakage.

There's that weird assertion again - changing options somehow "breaks" your system. What on EARTH are you doing to break your DE??? I've been using Linux daily since 2004 and tinkered with nearly every DE out there and with the exception of some early ccsm plug-ins, I've NEVER managed to break a DE by playing about with its options. Unless you count actively trying to break it. I guess you could do some really funky things with fonts? External themes, maybe? Languages?

How do you break a DE. Goddam.

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Quoting: GuestValve's representative didn't actually give a preference or official stance.

I'm not arguing it was a political answer, but it was a clear preference. He stated that native support is "even better". And he's a valve rep, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't think it's an official stance.

I don't agree with just about anything you've said on this thread Mirv (sorry! :grin:), but that's the main point that matters I think!

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I'm pretty bored of the narrative that if you're not running a rolling release, then you're outdated.

I'm on Pop, but I still have the latest kernels every day or so via xanmod. I have cutting edge Mesa via Kisak. It's a good mix.

Use the distro that works for you, but please, just please can we stop putting down other people's choices?

Look, I've tried Manjaro twice and it was a car crash both times, about two years apart. I don't spend my life telling everyone not to use it though, because it clearly does work for some people. That's great! I'll sing Pop's praises and the Arch bods can talk up Manjaro.

It's not hard. We're all running Linux here.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfSteam, for example. There were many problems with that package, I helped solve some of them (in collaboration with other Ubuntu community volunteers), but it was really pain in the arse and the package is still regularly broken and outdated.

So it's outdated and broken? That would be odd, since I'm using it every day.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfSadly, many of the Ubuntu packages are bad because they are outdated a broken

Examples?? Cos I've been using Ubuntu and its derivatives for decades and I have no idea what you're referring to here.

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Yeah, I rarely understand the grit of these posts, but I still enjoy reading about them. Definitely well worth posting! And you can always filter off the "Game Dev" tag if these posts don't interest you!

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Quoting: scaineI think you're painting a far rosier picture of Windows multi-monitor support than I experience.

It is possible, true. I rarely use Windows, and when I do is for simple tasks. Still, that's the thing, I really don't remember having ever that level of frustration with Windows as I had with Linux multi-monitors, while trying to use some really basic features.

I do that in cycles, I start one day by connecting the second monitor, then get frustrated and remove it, and after a month I remember I have a great second monitor and would be great to use, connect it again, get frustrated again, remove it from a a month, and so on. I never learn.

Yeah, it's definitely a shambles. I remember thinking, "magic, Wayland will sort all this". But it doesn't really. I think the bulk of it sits in the DE, which is why I'm now pinning my hopes on KDE! :grin:

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I use multi-monitor Windows at my work and while you're probably not exaggerating your frustration at the Linux situation, I think you're painting a far rosier picture of Windows multi-monitor support than I experience. Windows frequently open on the wrong monitor. My biggest annoyance is having my windows on the big monitor, unplugging for a meeting, and discovering that one or two of the windows are simply gone. I can see them on the taskbar, but they're obviously still on some invisible second monitor that doesn't exist now. Only option is to kill them and re-open.

When you plug that second monitor back in too - nothing moves back to where it should be. This is a pain on Linux too, even if you fix all the other multi-monitor woes there... but apparently KDE has some functionality coming down the line that will address this. I hate having to drag four windows back to the big screen every time I sit back down at my desk.

Scaling is quirky too, given that my external monitor at work is 4K, but the laptop screen is 1080p. And don't get me started on the screen tear on the 4K monitor.

I guess multi-monitor is hard, because I've never had a very positive experience of it, on any O/S. I avoid it whenever I can.

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Quoting: F.UltraThen again they never ever give links to said posts so it's hard to know if it did happen, if it did happen but understandably so due to context or if it's just made up.

Great point. I spent over a decade on Ubuntu Forums, Ask Ubuntu and a handful of other "help" forums and I've never seen anyone hand out snark as a starting point to a Windows user asking for help. What actually happened quite a lot though is that the Windows user asked for help, got it, but didn't like the solution, claimed "Linux is shit, I'm going back to Windows" and when the forum users responded with "don't let the door hit you on the way out", they threw a hissy fit and claimed that the Linux community was/is toxic.

Bad faith, every time. Sometimes you could tell from the way the opening request was formed how it was going to end. Inevitable.

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Yeah, my point is that if you're driving a Ferrari, then Ford isn't the winning team. If you're dining at a Michelin star restaurant, you're not jealous of the McDonalds.

Being the majority is definitely a thing, a mentality that some enjoy. I doubt many "all in" Linux users share that mentality.

Honestly, I wouldn't care about more people using Linux AT ALL, except that there's a certain tipping point where life gets better for us due to those numbers. What other people do/use/consume is of no consequence to my mindset. I've avoided fashion, even, all my life. Music, art - I've always enjoyed niche. Always avoided the herd.

But if we can get 4 or 5% of the planet on Linux, then the platform becomes more compelling overall, which ought to bring certain benefits.

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