Quoting: furaxhornyxNo offense, but I have tried Ubuntu Studio, and it is nowhere near a good out-of-the-box experience... In fact that's probably one of the worst distro I tried, and if I didn't have tried others before (and thus know better about the Linux experience), I would probably have migrated to Windows 10 by now...
I have spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out how to tweak Jack and pulseaudio with Cadence, and even now, I am not fully satisfied with this "solution", which is more of a "workaround".
I wish there was a CoreAudio equivalent in Linux (to be fair, I wish it would have been the case in Windows, too). Maybe with Pipewire ?

When did you last try? I ask because Jason Evanghelo thought the same back in 2019, but I think was quite positive about later versions? They lost a lot of developers between 2016 and 2018, which led to some serious stagnation.

As for CoreAudio, I have a musician friend who won't try Linux because of that very lack. Again, Evanghelo has found alternatives, but I think some of these professional niches are where Linux does hurt for the official packages associated with - Adobe stuff, AutoCAD, CoreAudio, and so on. At least Blender is leading the pack. And yeah, hopefully Pipewire continues to mature and becomes the default audio solution.

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Quoting: scaineLinux is a better choice (for me) in almost every aspect

and I'm not disputing that. In fact I totally agree - and the reason I'm using Linux as well. I'm just saying that while we have all the parts needed to make awesome system (and we do that ourselves) out of the box experience is lacking.
If you get past that the only (but sadly serious) issue is not directly OS related - lack of pro level consumer apps (for example nothing that in the CAD space, nothing that would replace Photoshop and so on).
One of the reason I'm rooting for all the initiatives that make it easier for folks to deploy apps on Linux and for distro-agnostic formats like Flatpaks.

We'll have to disagree. Out of the box is pretty much how I configure the family's PCs and beyond my wife asking for some guidance on how to install Chrome (she laughed when I showed her how stupidly simple it is), it's been all quiet on that there western front. Yesterday my son asked me if he could install Steam again and buy Assassin's Creed Unity. I checked ProtonDB and told him it would be a risk, but I'd help him later. Went in about four hours later, he'd installed Steam, logged in, bought the game, downloaded it, created a uPlay account and was 20 minutes into the tutorial. He's not techy, at all.

Anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence, I suppose, but it's all I've got. It's all most people have, which probably explains all the varying positions in this thread.

I suppose it helps that Pop_OS has the Pop Shop to make most of these things click and play, and it definitely helps that Valve has created Steam Play so that Windows games are click and play, but there you go. Hopefully Linux gets to the point that everything is as click and play as Steam and the Pop Shop.

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I really, really wish people would stop tearing down one thing in order to build up their personal preference for another thing.

By all means, sing the praises of the thing you love, but not at the expense of something else. ESPECIALLY when you know a lot of people already love that other thing. When you do this, all you do is look petty.

Quoting: BOYSSSSSAnd that's why Linux will always be unfriendly to newbies. The Linux community doesn't understand that simple fact and instead thinks too much settings are hard to remember.

I think you're probably under-estimating the modern Linux experience. Perhaps you could share some examples of what commands you need to remember? For myself, I do have one pet peeve, which is that pulseaudio doesn't revert to a sane default sound card, so I have to tell it which one to use... which does indeed need a text file edit. But that's only because I use a pretty complex PC that has an insane number of sound ouputs (PC, monitor, Blue Yeti mic (headphones on a mic!), BT headphones, DualSense PS5 controller and my Index). Probably won't affect a lot of folk.

Quoting: PJyes - and its backed by the OS. For example - on OSX you basically connect an audio device and you have low latency audio out of the box.
On Windows you need to add some special drivers. Oh, and have you tried it on Linux? Yes, in theory it is doable but you need to fiddle with JACK and preferably custom kernel. I doubt most of musicians would go with that - not because they're not capable to learn it, but because fiddling with systems is not their job.

Well, no, this isn't really true. Like you say, you should be backed the OS, right? So if you're a sound engineer or musician and want to use Linux, you make sure you install something like Ubuntu Studio, and then it just works out of the box. Sure, it would be nice if Linux was perfect for everything... but as we're discussing, no OS is perfect for everything. Far from it. But what's amazing is that Linux is shaping up to be the best candidate!

I used to say that I used Linux despite its various issues, so that I didn't have to use Windows. These days, Linux is a better choice (for me) in almost every aspect (okay, we still don't have anticheat, but hopefully that's coming now too!).

My experience right now is so far beyond what Windows or OSX could give me, I no longer have any realistic compromises to make. That's incredible, considering it's only been decade to get there.

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Makes me wonder if the entire purpose of the lawsuit was so that Wolfire Games could price their games differently on other stores without any comeback from Valve as to the practice. Was it an "unwritten rule" that your game would be thrown out of Steam if you tried to do so? I can't imagine how that would stack up in practical terms. Not many games are ever thrown out of Steam and when they are, it's for highly public reasons.

Such a weird lawsuit.

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicAnyone else get the feeling that if this year was a poker game, Valve just shoved all their chips into the middle of the table and yelled, "All in motherfuckers!" and threw down a hand of cards with nothing but Tux penguins on them?

I mean... that's the highest hand in geek Poker though, right? RIGHT??

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Quoting: redneckdrowI'll definitely leave a negative review on this once my hand feels better.

Oh, it runs fine in Proton Experemintal, if that wasn't obvious. Two thumbs way down! :angry:

Can't be good dealing with that. Funnily enough, I also played for two hours and feel much the same way, minus a sore hand. I actually enjoyed one or two of the training mini-games... somewhat. I liked the blocking one, it was fun. I kind of enjoyed the offense one until they started throwing in weird patterns. But, I hated the dodging game, detested the magic game, and the bow was meh.

But yeah, it's a mobile game for sure, and it's just a grind/clicker. Can't defeat a boss? Grind training until you can. Nope, nope, nope. There's a tiny bit of skill, but it's dwarfed by the grind.

Hard pass.

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Quoting: redneckdrowSlasher's keep is fun, but the block mechanic needs work. It just doesn't seem to register half the time, and is useless at blocking ranged attacks. Speaking of ranged enemies feel cheap, with your methods for dealing with them being few at first. The artwork is pretty good though. I'd give it a 5.5/10 if I assigned arbitrary numbers to games anymore.

Slasher's Keep should be fun... but it's just not, for some of the reasons you mention. I also didn't like the inability to hit half-height boxes, the lack of crouch, the inability to pick up potion from certain boxes, and the weird "hit things with your inventory sack" which isn't explained (it knocks back enemies). And yeah, the block mechanic is next to useless, since the swing mechanic takes so long on most weapons. Very irritating game to play overall. I don't recommend it at all.

Quoting: redneckdrowQuest Hunter... ho hum. Another Diablo clone that just doesn't try anything new. There's a lot of unnecessary hand-holding too. My advice, skip it.

Nothing will top Grim Dawn for me, but I'll still give it a shot, just make sure! :grin:

Dreadlands looks like it might very well be excellent!

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Bought this for Slasher's Keep (despite already owning both the excellent Delver and superb Tower of Time), but I love the look of Swords & Souls too. Worth taking the risk on Dreadlands to be honest, with this kind of quality in the overall bundle!

Edit: Hmmm, Slasher's Keep is a bit rubbish. Nowhere near as good as Void Bastards and I didn't really spend a lot of time on that game either. Fingers crossed for the rest.

Edit2: Dreadlands worked perfectly with Proton-6.13-GE-1, including the opening cinematic. Game plays brilliant. It's an XCOM clone - leveling, gear, recruitment, base-building, missions, the whole thing.

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Quoting: GuestI'm not leaving Linux completely - I will still prefer free software for my daily tasks and use Linux on my non-gaming PCs. I might revisit Linux gaming if the situation changes, but... Right now I don't see a reason why I should prefer gaming on poorly implemented Windows to gaming on Windows.

The only reason that matters, for me, is not having to put up with Windows itself. If you think that's a better experience (for you), then that's perfectly valid.

Me? I wouldn't touch Windows with a bargepole. My contact with it through work reminds me how terrible it (still) is, and I'm glad I removed it from my life nearly 8 years ago.

As for the issues you describe - I don't know what to say. I've never had issues like you're describing. I had to add a pulseaudio latency variable to Cyberpunk, I suppose, but compared to the hell of getting things working on Windows 7 back when I used it... this is easy street. I suppose it comes down to the fact that I check ProtonDB before I buy a game, so I tend to only buy those games that I know will be a fairly click-play experience. I wonder what games you're playing to have such a terrible experience.

Finally, I'd suggest that this is the exactly wrong time to be giving up. With the Steam Deck promises of a seamless experience, anti-cheat suport, and huge improvements to Proton, this is an exciting time to actually stay and see those improvements happen! And if they don't pan out to your expectation, then you make the jump back.

Depends what you're playing I suppose. When I look at my Recent games in Steam, probably about 80% of them are through Proton and every one (except CyberPunk) is click-to-play.

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Incredible progress. It was only in April that he blogged about getting a simple cube to raytrace. Now if I could only get my hands on one of those fancy 6x00XT cards that actually support hardware ray-tracing, I might be able to take advantage of the next iteration of his work!

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