Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 2736, member: 1"right now it isnt ypu are correct, i am not talking about right now i am talking about when the Linux client comes out i also have confirmation from them on Desura which i will post the reply later when i get back from hospital :)

I am hoping that has something to do with that upcoming kid of yours rather than something happening to you yourself?

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And patience we shall give, right?

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Hey, I am here to never takes things too lightly. :p

Anyhow, carry one people.

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Okay, not trying to start a flame war, but I make a few points?

I am all in favour of being open minded about games and not participating in genre chauvinism, and Linux is definitely good to you in this regard, as it does encourage you to play games of all sorts. Which is why I am leery of comments like the ones above, especially the kind of negative perception of shooter and especially first person shooter games. Now, this is my favourite genre, and not just for any kind of visceral thrill. I like the first person perspective and find it one of the best ways to interact with a game enviroment.

It is also a surprisingly good medium as a storyteller, in some ways better than some other genres as it is very good at placing you in the world at your own devices. That is not a complaint against other genres, a lot of them do it well in many different ways, but in my experience FPS games have offered me the best of these experiences. Even in games with no cut-scense or NPCs the exploration of a fluid world has always been very palpable to me. I remember playing Hexen II a long time ago when I was considerably younger just messing around, bashing barrels, destroying the moat, seeing what I could do.

In fact, I think that hits it on the head. Interactive actions games are probably unequalled in the amount it just allows you to mess around with the game enviroment. True, there are some genres based entirely on this principle, such as your classic adventure, but these games are often too scripted to offer you the same amount of freedom. There are also sim games where you can build your own world which can capture this fairly well, but there is a difference between exploring and building and I think both are valuable for any child or anyone growing up with games to experience.

I know for a fact that playing it was playing Doom which got me to learn how to program. Playing Blood and Shogo, believe it or not, helped my writing no end. Plus the innate technical side coupled to such games is also a valuable asset in teaching people how computers and games work, and I sincerely believe that if you just come into it to play games and not learn about them you have missed the point. I see your seventeen year old is into programming games, which I find very good, and which may have been encouraged by some of the shooter games he has played, as well as others. I do know that it was games like Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake that made the modding scene what it is today and created many of the talented programmers we have today.

And, while it is good that your kids (can I really refer to another seventeen year old as a kid?) are into many different genres, I would be careful in making statements such as "I would like to raise kids that know how to get along with other people." That has nothing to do with the games they play but the world they live in and how the learn to react. And I think many gamers would be insulted by that premise. You seem to have been a really caring parent, so I doubt you really have to worry about your kids turning into physcos. Playing Doom or Quake or whatever young people today are playing is not going to do that to them. The fact that you took care of them and yes, played games with them, should ensure that.

And one final note, I notice you included Lugaru in your list up there. While it is a very good and skilful game, it is a bit of a strange choice to pick a game of which the premise is rabbits beating on each other. In fact, I would say it is more violent than my almost daily Quake 3 matches. Just saying.

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Looks like fedvasu and helios are in the lead as it were. At least, that is how I call it.

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Because I know where you live.... Muhahaha!

Seriously though, I do not know of any good reason why, except I do not have it. :P

And just to best everyone else here I have Linux installed on 6 desktops here, one laptop (and will be two soon), one router box, and I have installed it on my Aunt's computer. We are also planning on getting a Linux partition set up for our Uncle well.

We are breeding followers... *cackles again with much merriment*

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Quoting: "Bumadar, post: 2693, member: 93"simon the sorcerer hrhr

Ah, yes, Chris Barrie was in that one wasn't he?

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Interesting that it is on TTimo's github rather than something id controls itself. Great news BTW. :)

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Well, that just makes things worse doesn't it? Still, I have noticed that developers with Mac ports seem less willing to put them up on Steam so far compared to the ones with Linux ports putting them up on Desura.

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Quoting: "sparr, post: 2676"It's not very reasonable to ask for Desura keys for games that aren't on Desura...

Then why was it not irresponsible for them to demand games get ported to Mac and Linux in the past? Because to be a part of the Bundle, you have to fulfil certain guidelines. Desura keys were part of the value that the Bundles offered. So I still do not see the problem. If you want to be a part of the Bundle, you have to make yourself presentable first.

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