Quoting: SkullyThey simply provide it for developers who wouldn't otherwise put there game on steam.

Which includes themselves.

Quoting: SkullyYour whole unrelated beef story is fascinating but totally unrelated and off topic.

Just because you fail to draw parallels does not make it off topic. This entire conversation is though.

Quoting: SkullyProbably better we just agree to disagree.

Well, I can agree with that much at least.

Quoting: SkullyAt least until you show me a link of steam promoting DRM that you said you could provide.

I showed you a link created by Valve themselves, something which you refused to accept because you then shifted your argument. I have already fulfilled this requirement.

Quoting: SkullyWith out that you just have made yourself sound like a misinformed crazy person.

Again, holding up a mirror and all that.

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The versions sold on Steam may be DRM free, but I still personally will not buy the game from Steam because I do not wish to support a distribution platform that provides a DRM service for developers to plug themselves into regardless of whether they chose to use it or not.

Keep in mind that Valve gets a 30% cut from every game sale on Steam, meaning that 30% of your money will end up going to a DRM distributor. GOG.com takes a similar cut, but with them I can have complete confidence that none of my money will go to the promotion of DRM systems.

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Your entire argument is based on some pretty weak semantics Skully.

I breed, raise, and sell beef cattle. By doing so I am implicitly supporting and promoting the practice of eating beef by providing a service to butchers, slaughterhouses, and meat packing plants. Just because I do not actually sell processed steaks or ground hamburger to consumers does not mean that I can personally detach myself from the practice.

Valve provides a DRM layer for developers to use through Steam. This is one of the "advantages" they try to sell to developers in order to make them use their service. By doing so they are implicitly supporting and promoting the practice of using DRM.

I have also personally eaten butchered and processed beef that has been raised by my family, which in its own way is also analogous to Valve using their own DRM layer when they sell their own products, which of course is something they do with most if not all of their games on Steam. By applying their own DRM layer themselves they are also supporting and promoting the practice of using DRM.

You can try and hide from this all you want, but Valve and Steam are supporting and promoting DRM.

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I saw the first one available for half-price on GOG.com during a flash sale last night, but I decided to wait until both were made available for Linux so that I could potentially nab them as a series later on.

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Quoting: PublicNuisanceWill the GOG version be getting the Linux edition or just Steam ?

To fulfill their obligation to HIB 11 customers they are going to need a DRM free version of it produced anyway, so I suppose one could assume...

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Quoting: SkullyLooks to me like it's done by Icculus. I am guessing it's his unannounced port 2 based on this https://trello.com/c/3RyR2Hly/8-unannounced-port-2

Well, considering that we were promised a Linux release with Humble Indie Bundle 11, that would stretch the meaning of the word "unannounced" a little bit though.

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Good timing, since Desurium is no longer launching for me on Arch.

We still need to see how Bad JuJu are planning on dealing with the licensing though.

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Quoting: EikeI did not find any message you might be referring to.

Just a general caution against the starting of a sound system war.

Quoting: GuestPlease no more mention of LP, this comments thread was a nice place before you mentionned him, Hamish…

Seriously? You did actually read my message, right?

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Might I suggest chaps we do not turn this into a Phoronix styled anti/pro Lennart Poettering fur-fight?

Just a suggestion...

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So I took the survey, and I found myself unable to answer most of the questions because I did not actually buy any games last month. I am also still not finished going through the game I started in early October because I have not been able to put the time into it. I do not know what that says about me... :S:

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