Quoting: ImantsOne year and it is history. You can't expect to sell well game which comes out this late and was in so many steam sales alredy.

And yet I just recently played a native port of LIMBO made four years after the original Windows release and three years after its initial Linux release as a Crossover wrapper.

If an independent studio can manage it, why can't Firefly? I do not see the need to handhold developers closer to AAA but then turn around and see Indies outdoing them.

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Quoting: ImantsNothing wrong too much if it is used for old games as this game.

This game came out initially in 2011 - what is your definition of old?

It certainly does not appear to be the same as mine.

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Quoting: GuestThat’s obviously a troll…

And I was obviously being sarcastic. At least, I though I was...

Quoting: EKRboiNot too many people, myself included, will wait for a game to release on linux months after initial release when they can play it now in win or wine. If they all could just get on the ball and release all platforms at the same time I'm certain the numbers would be better.

Am I really that strange for only ever hearing about a game when the Linux version comes out?

The fact that I do not even have a Windows install around does help though...

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Quoting: tmtvlYeah, that's my only problem with Linux: there's pretty much no good games available. But there's always Wine, which works well enough.

Really? Not even one? :S:

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Yes, the engine support is the main important thing, although the same applied to the older UT ports as well to an extent - the main difference between the older Unreal engines and UE4 is that this engine supports cross-platform from the get-go upstream and offers full source code access, which should actually make the work of porters like Gordon less necessary in the long run.

And there were retail Linux games on disks before UT2003, mostly from Loki Software but there were also a few others such as LGP, Hyperion, Macmillan Digital Publishing, etc. Since people seem to be having trouble looking back that far, I would suggest consulting these links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_gaming#History [External Link]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_C._Gordon [External Link]

If you can look them up Gordon's own SELF talks are pretty good for this as well.

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Duke Nukem 3D and Rise of the Triad just work for me (even though they would probably be better served with source ports, but the data is there for whenever I want it) as do the Blake Stone games. Realms of the Haunting works in everything except the music which complains in the terminal. I have yet to try anything else, and I did not buy the Flatout games.

My brother cleared them out of most of their Linux sale items, barring a few exceptions - still, even with him deselecting a few games for various reasons, he still ended up purchasing a frilly pink princess game by mistake, even if it is a rather perverse one. I think his masculinity can handle it.:P

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Take a piece of advice: actually make sure you have some ground to stand on before acting standoffish.

The original UT's server and client were ported in-house by Epic and then later taken over by Loki Software - that being said, despite being an official Loki product, it was never sold in boxes and instead acted more like the unofficial id Software ports in that you needed to have the Windows version's data and then use a separate Linux installer.

Ryan C. Gordon ported both Unreal Tournament 2003 and 2004 to Linux, and not only did he make both a server and a client for these games, but the Linux installer was actually included on the game disks. No joke. If you have a copy of them, look for the linux-installer.sh files.

UT3 was supposed to be the same deal, but while Gordon was able to make and release a server, his client for the game was never released. There is a lot of speculation about why this is the case, but very little concrete facts, which is part of the reason why some in the Linux community are still suspicious of Epic, even with all of their recent gestures.

As to why these ports are not currently on Steam, well, Epic has probably just not bothered with it, and besides, the sun does not just rise and fall on Valve. There was Linux gaming before Steam. It is an interesting history, and I suggest you look it up someday.

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Quoting: BeamboomIt's still unreal to me that the next UT is coming to Linux.

Even though that was the standard for the longest time...

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Is the 30 day money back guarantee invalid if you are using other distributions? Or is it just for refunds after that? I would have assumed the 30 day guarantee would apply for any reason...

Quoting: CheesenessIn most of the ways that matter in this context, they're the same sort of thing IMO. Third party (community) developed replacements for runtimes/engines without the support (or approval) of vendors to allow stuff to run on platforms that weren't originally intended.

There are still some big differences though - only one of them is trying to support a moving, actively developing target, let alone the whole other element of potentially endorsing development for another currently viable platform as opposed to your own.

EDIT: So the 30 day money back guarantee does only apply to support issues rather than as a more general policy, which I do find disappointing.

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Quoting: neffoA rational response. How about celebrating having some choice?

Generally not the best tack when defending the market leader...

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