All of this seems rather.... unreasonable.

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Quoting: SalvatosMight have to give this a try to see if the approach is fun in practice or ends up feeling like a weird gimmick. My main worry was that it would make the MC less relatable and reduce immersion.

It could quite work as a puzzle game.
Often enough, those barely have a MC or hell, even a story, to really immerse you, instead it is more about the puzzles and atmosphere/humor/etc.

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I hope they allow you to skip puzzles this time (or improve them significantly).

I loved the combat and character system in CrossCode, but the puzzles were atrociously awful.
Not difficult, mind you - fairly simple and mundane, which made it worse in a way - but the constant running around to solve them made them take what felt like an eternity every single time.
And after you are done with a puzzle, what came next? Another puzzle in an even bigger room with even more trekking around to flip switches. And after that? Another room! And another!
Dungeons were either combat or puzzle dungeons, and not optional, either...
I can deal with the usual awful JRPG lever puzzles if they are only occasional, but CrossCode turned them into a horrible swamp to wade through to get to the good parts of the game.

Completely insane design, I couldn't continue playing after the second or so puzzle dungeon, which was quite upsetting given how interesting the rest of the game was.

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Quoting: tuubiLinux is literally for everyone. Just look at the license(s). There are no artificial barriers for entry, and it's not up to you to come up with them.

You are talking about barriers to even attempt usage, or some kind of access restriction.
There are none. Everyone is free to (attempt to) use Linux, obviously.

But "Linux is for everyone" does not imply that, at all, it implies that everyone can just use it and will be perfectly fine with it, that it will be the right choice/tool for them, that it was designed to be the right choice/tool for everyone - that simply isn't the case.
Using Linux requires a little bit more of technical inclination than, say Windows or Mac.
It also functions differently which will obviously not be for everyone, no matter their technical inclination. Different strokes and all that.

So, no, it is - in fact - not for everyone. No OS is. Windows is objectively not a terrible OS, and does lots of things well, but it sure isn't for a lot of people here, I'd say...

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Of course Linux is a community, or at least it has/forms one - pedantics, really.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyBoth of them work better the more people are using them. Restricting Linux use either to "just techies" or "just people I like" or (quoting you here) "5-10% user share on PC" (presumably the good, superior 5-10%) is a terrible and counterproductive idea. In fact Linux aside, the general idea of "only the worthy should get (X), and I or some self-anointed priesthood should get to decide who is worthy" is pretty much always terrible.

Do you think medicine would get better if only more people were allowed to be doctors regardless of qualification? Police? Diplomacy? Law? Teaching?
You are aware that gatekeeping is just another word for filtering and is exactly what makes things work WELL, right?

I'm not saying growth is bad or more users are bad, that would be insane. It is good in principle, and we ourselves benefit strongly.
But you HAVE to combine a growth with filtering of who you want to have an influence and participate actively in a community if you do not want the growth to coincide with a decline.

Users come in different qualities, as everyone who ever had to deal with users in a professional environment can tell you.
Now, the awesome thing is that you can improve users or they can do it themselves (as someone else said, we were all newbies once) - but only those who will not throw the towel when pointed at a (honestly rather clearly and well written) readme and nope out the moment they are confronted with a hickup.
For those users, I would not and will never recommend Linux as a daily OS, not even the "newbie friendly" distros.
I would just be lying to them and in contrast to others throwing toxically positive platitudes ala "Linux is for everyone" in their face, that would make me feel bad.

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This reminds me a lot of the Joe Richardson games:
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Joe%20Richardson [External Link]

... for obvious reasons, I guess :wink:

Something about that combination of point & click and classic paintings just tickles my brain.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI've been using Linux for, I dunno, 25 years or something and I really hate this attitude. I don't think it's reasonable to condemn everyone who isn't a techie to fucking Windows. And I think this idea that somehow it's better if Linux stays crappy so you can keep everyone out is absolutely moronic.

Here is the point that I made: .
Here is the point you are arguing against: *points three screens to the right*

You are generally reasonable, so I guess you just got triggered by the word "gatekeeping".
Really a word that gets a lot of undeserved hate - it is a good and necessary process of community shaping.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyYou don't have to do techie-type stuff to use Linux, and that's as it should be. You do have to do techie-type stuff . . . to do techie-type stuff on Linux, like install alpha software from GitLab.

That's not true and you know it.
Sometimes you DO end up having to do techie-type stuff on Linux. It is unavoidable as soon as you try to do anything outside of whatever default confinement your distro puts you in.
It happens rarely, which I agree is great, but it does happen. I'd argue it happens in every OS, too - the great thing about Linux is that the user can rather easily resolve it by following guides while Windows starts really getting in the way at this point.

It can also happen if you make some mistake (like in this case here, when you try to do "techie-type stuff" if there would be a much easier way) - which is fine, too, it happens. We all make mistakes.
The difference lies in how we react to that: Do we accept advice of those who know better or do we push the advisors away?

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Quoting: tuubiSadly, gatekeepers tend to pop up in every community.

Quoting: tuubiSadly, gatekeepers tend to pop up in every community.
Linux is for everyone, and we were all newbies once.

If you really like something, and you don't want it to change into something you don't like anymore, gatekeep.
You can still be welcoming, those are not mutually exclusive, but you have to have standards of who you do and who you do not want as a new part of the community. I don't think there is an alternative - only each person's standards will be different here.

I support people who are willing to learn, I do not support people who are not.
Yes, we were all newbies once ... now try to remember how we managed to not be that anymore - were we, maybe, willing to learn? Curious? Persistent? Did we take the advice of those knowing more than us?

I've been alive long enough to see many, many things and communities to be so friendly and welcoming to anyone new that they bent over backwards, broke and are now not even recognizable anymore.
If you measure only by the number of users, that strategy of self-abandonment is often successful.
Personally, I do not measure success like that and I'd be perfectly fine if Linux never went to or over 5-10% user share on PC - it is not for everyone (only for everyone willing to learn every once in a while) and pretending this to be different is silly.

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Quoting: dziadulewiczThis was enough "dependency hell" for me (whatever you mean it specifically means, don't care, not the point either). Maybe you enjoy tweaking and tinkering, fixing and reading instructions to get something installed. That's ok and cool. But do not expect that from others automatically, please?

I don't think Linux is for you if you are that unwilling to deal with a simple readme.

Linux has gotten way easier, but I certainly hope it never reaches the levels of Windows where everything is made to appear so simple users aren't expected to think anymore.
Hell, not even Windows is actually so simple in all cases.

Quoting: dziadulewiczAppImage? Will not touch those, sorry. And like i said already: no big deal as i don't need Cooler Control. And thanks for your concern.

So someone suggested you the one-click solution you needed, but it's still "not your thing".
That's one way to handle communication, I guess :grin::grin:

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Can confirm.
I had never used any fan or RGB controlling software before and it took me maybe an hour or two to get going and configure things the way I wanted them.

Most difficult part was figuring out which fan in the software represented which fan in the hardware - no labels on the cables connecting the fans to the commander core, so I had to do it the hard way...

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