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Valve give a little more info on what 'Gamescope' actually does for Linux gaming
16 Jan 2020 at 11:04 pm UTC Likes: 1
16 Jan 2020 at 11:04 pm UTC Likes: 1
Quoting: MohandevirI made the choice of a GTX 1660 Super because it was the best GPU for the 450W PSU in my Mini-itx build and I use a lot of in-home streaming... For these use-cases, I'm kind of stuck with Nvidia. AMD as the tendency to have an higher tdp, unfortunately... Don't know if it's going to change with the RX5600XT.Yeah, in power efficiency, Nvidia is still ahead. RDNA was the first step to close the gap, and from what I've read, developers of Zen architecture are focusing on increasing power efficiency of it. So would be interesting to see how it will evolve with RDNA 2.
Valve give a little more info on what 'Gamescope' actually does for Linux gaming
16 Jan 2020 at 10:07 pm UTC Likes: 1
16 Jan 2020 at 10:07 pm UTC Likes: 1
Looks like someone is working on it: https://gitlab.com/petejohanson/obs-pipewire-screen-casting [External Link]
Valve give a little more info on what 'Gamescope' actually does for Linux gaming
16 Jan 2020 at 9:56 pm UTC
16 Jan 2020 at 9:56 pm UTC
Quoting: elmapul'- Because the game is running in its own personal Xwayland sandbox desktop, it can't interfere with your desktop and your desktop can't interfere with it.'Wayland cases for screen capturing should be handled with Pipewire if I understood correctly. Not sure if OBS is using it yet.
good bye obs
Valve give a little more info on what 'Gamescope' actually does for Linux gaming
16 Jan 2020 at 9:02 pm UTC
The only proper fix for this is either to unblock Nouveau, or for Nvidia to start working with upstream. If Valve can influence them to do that, it would be great. But I doubt they have that kind of influence.
16 Jan 2020 at 9:02 pm UTC
Quoting: MohandevirThis said... Valve and Nvidia have worked closely in the past, so who knows, maybe when the time comes for a full and official deployment of Gamescope... But I'm not holding my breath either.Well, even if Valve can make them fix one issue, something else will come up tomorrow. The problem is systemic. Goals of Nvidia aren't aligned with goals of Linux ecosystem in general. They are refusing to work with upstream, and only care about their own limited list of use cases.
The only proper fix for this is either to unblock Nouveau, or for Nvidia to start working with upstream. If Valve can influence them to do that, it would be great. But I doubt they have that kind of influence.
Valve give a little more info on what 'Gamescope' actually does for Linux gaming
16 Jan 2020 at 8:42 pm UTC
Just note, that it slows things down for everyone else too. While Nvidia usage is still high, Wayland won't be prioritized. I expect things to move faster, once Nvidia blob usage will drop below both AMD and Intel.
16 Jan 2020 at 8:42 pm UTC
Quoting: iwantlinuxgamesI'm not holding my breath for wayland on nvidia. xorg works just fine for me with the nvidia proprietary driver.That's why I said, ditch Nvidia if you care about innovation and progress of the Linux desktop. In case you don't, you can stay with the blob that can't handle modern use cases.
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I'll give up nvidia and xorg when u pry them from my cold dead fingers.
Just note, that it slows things down for everyone else too. While Nvidia usage is still high, Wayland won't be prioritized. I expect things to move faster, once Nvidia blob usage will drop below both AMD and Intel.
Valve give a little more info on what 'Gamescope' actually does for Linux gaming
16 Jan 2020 at 5:11 pm UTC Likes: 11
16 Jan 2020 at 5:11 pm UTC Likes: 11
I'm somewhat confused, why is it using XWayland unconditionally. XWayland is normally needed only for something that's stuck with X interfaces. Modern games can use SDL or whatever to work with Wayland directly, so that compositor can avoid XWayland for those cases at least?
Basically, Nvidia users have a few options:
1. If you want to stick to the blob, forget about modern use cases like Wayland.
2. Use Nouveau, but then you'll be bitten by Nvidia's sabotage of the open driver for their hardware. They refuse to allow it to reclock the GPU, making it unusable for high performance use cases like gaming. Plus it doesn't yet have Vulkan support.
3. Switch to hardware from AMD or Intel who support Linux stack properly, and always supported using modern options like Wayland.
You can of course also just wait for Nvidia to open up and upstream their driver, or to stop being jerks to Nouveau. But many have been waiting for this for decades and nothing happened. So why wait? If you care about innovation and progress of the Linux desktop, help yourself and everyone else and make sure your next GPU is not Nvidia.
NVIDIA would need to support accelerated Xwayland to work with Gamescope.
Quoting: SirBubblesI would love to see some wayland support from nvidia. Looks like it'll be required for team green users to get any joy out of this gamescope thing, so fingers crossed, I guess.
Quoting: GuestI wonder if Nvidia will someday support Wayland official. Afaik you can not use Wayland on the proprietary NV driver since it's tied up to XOrg ... really annoying I really wish to give Wayland a try. x.xTo all those who are waiting for Nvidia to support Wayland, don't hold your breath. Linux users have been waiting for this for years, and Nvidia was and still is the major reason why Wayland adoption on Linux has been slow. Nvidia simply doesn't care about innovative and modern use cases. The reason it's such a mess for them is because their archaic and un-upstreamable blob can't work with the modern graphics stack, and it took them decades to even produce convoluted workarounds in attempts to fix it (and it still doesn't work!). And obviously upstream developers aren't eager to oblige such nasty attitude towards Linux.
Maybe this will be a little push into the right direction for NV to just support Wayland x.x
Basically, Nvidia users have a few options:
1. If you want to stick to the blob, forget about modern use cases like Wayland.
2. Use Nouveau, but then you'll be bitten by Nvidia's sabotage of the open driver for their hardware. They refuse to allow it to reclock the GPU, making it unusable for high performance use cases like gaming. Plus it doesn't yet have Vulkan support.
3. Switch to hardware from AMD or Intel who support Linux stack properly, and always supported using modern options like Wayland.
You can of course also just wait for Nvidia to open up and upstream their driver, or to stop being jerks to Nouveau. But many have been waiting for this for decades and nothing happened. So why wait? If you care about innovation and progress of the Linux desktop, help yourself and everyone else and make sure your next GPU is not Nvidia.
Vulkan API specification 1.2 released, new NVIDIA Vulkan Beta driver up
16 Jan 2020 at 6:41 am UTC
16 Jan 2020 at 6:41 am UTC
Quoting: mrdeathjrd9vk still works with this driver versionIsn't Bombshell using DX11?
Valve continue working behind the scenes for Linux gaming with 'Gamescope'
16 Jan 2020 at 4:16 am UTC Likes: 2
16 Jan 2020 at 4:16 am UTC Likes: 2
Quoting: MohandevirImo,Valve would do better to put their efforts on Steam Cloud Gaming if they don't plan to travel the road they have paved, 6 years ago.There is no reason for them not to sell their own gaming oriented PCs with Linux, as long as they provide high quality support. Having that is one of the way to beat MS monopoly. No partners I'd say, that route is ineffective.
DOOM Eternal coming to Stadia on March 20, plus other Stadia news - a round-up
16 Jan 2020 at 2:08 am UTC
16 Jan 2020 at 2:08 am UTC
Quoting: Purple Library GuyWhy even bother mentioning Cyberpunk 2077? That's, like, more than fifty years from now. Talk about slow development.I don't think it's going to be hard for them to port it around, if they are already using Vulkan. But there is no info at all on their current progress, so it's all really a speculation at this point.
DOOM Eternal coming to Stadia on March 20, plus other Stadia news - a round-up
15 Jan 2020 at 7:40 pm UTC
15 Jan 2020 at 7:40 pm UTC
Quoting: PopeRigbyI just hope we can have a native Linux port for Doom Eternal. It seems unlikely, but not impossible.Bethesda is a legacy publisher, so I wouldn't expect anything from them. What we can expect, are desktop Linux versions form normal publishers and developers. Someone like Larian for example. Or may be CD Projekt Red, though the later are shifting to the side of legacy publishers gradually, which is sad.
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