Quoting: adolsonIf I'm a developer, I don't see why I should put any effort into a Linux version.

Because supporting your users is proper. If you don't want to do that - you'd be a bad developer.

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In the context of porting companies. I'd argue that for those who don't use Steam, the value of such translation and compatibility tools is even higher, since some like Feral simply ignore GOG and other DRM-free stores. So a number of native releases just never make it there even when they have Windows versions available.

I'm looking at you too, Aspyr, and still missing KoTOR II for Linux on GOG.

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Quoting: Sir_DiealotI'm less optimistic.
It's a win for Steam for sure. If you are buying at other platforms this has zero benefit.

Not really, since projects they use are open source and either will be upstreamed in Wine itself, or can be used as add-ons like dxvk. So you can use them with GOG games as well.

I'm not a Steam user, but I've been using dxvk for a while already, and it's clearly a big breakthrough.

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Quoting: F.UltraIf I where Feral I would negotiate the license sooner than today and do a same day release by using the proton wrapper (for the games where Proton works) and then release the native port with full performance and support later. That way they will not loose sales with this change while still being able to produce a proper native port later.

Yep, makes perfect sense for porters to do that. In fact some already did exactly that in the past first using Wine, and then releasing a better performing port (Icculus for Dear Esther if I remember correctly).

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Quoting: GuestI just find it odd how people are so willing to give credit to Valve for things that others have done instead. Give credit to both, I say.

No argument here, that's exactly what I did, thanked both developers and Valve who helped that effort.

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Quoting: einherjarI AFAIK the witcher 2 and 3 where Denuvo tempered.

Cyberpunk will surely not be DRM free in the first weeks.

That's quite false since GOG doesn't accept games with Denuvo.

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Quoting: GuestIf it makes people feel better I can point out really great things Valve have done (mostly around Vulkan tooling and drivers). But I have to ask: if wine didn't exist, if dxvk didn't exist, would Valve have tried to create either?

You can ask the same thing about Linux and choosing it for their projects like SteamOS. Would they create their own OS to avoid Windows? That's the benefit of FOSS. You can use existing work and contribute back.

Quoting: GuestAnyway, Valve does this for Valve. Not for GNU/Linux. I hope people realise this. And yeah, Valve can be congratulated for investing things that help out, but the way I see it, the victory is not from Valve. It's from wine developers. From doitsujin and all who contributed to dxvk (which, yes, has some partial help from Valve). It's from open source tools that make this possible, it's from open source drivers that make this possible, it's from Khronos for the amazing work they've been doing on Vulkan. It's from Lutris showing that this is indeed possible. That's where my praise is.
That's why I don't feel the need to rave on about Valve - I'm too busy praising all the foundational and open source work that hey're building on. Valve have simply picked the best solution, and I do congratulate them on bankrolling things and helping improve that solution. It's just....hmm....to me, and I stress "to me", ranting about Valve ignores all the hard work that is being built upon, and I've never liked that.
So I just like to comment to make people aware of how awesome wine can be, how awesome open development is, and how great it is that GNU/Linux makes all this even possible.

Sure, it's all by those developers. But Valve funded them and without that funding, progress would have been a lot slower, no doubt about it. So Valve deserve credit for contributing to FOSS projects instead of their own walled garden / silo.

Do they have selfish motives? Likely, they aren't doing it just for charity. But result is still positive. A lot of progress in Linux itself is driven by major for profit companies who use that very progress for their own benefit. That doesn't make their contributions useless.

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Quoting: PatolaWhy not? I couldn't find any proprietary component in Proton, which is in github. You can use it standalone to play games.

I guess because there are some games that for example can benefit from dxvk but not from esync or the other way around. So a particular list has value.

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Quoting: dubigrasuWhat? Of course it matters! It matters to me anyway. I have a deep respect for Feral and I'm curious in which way this it affects them.

I mean it doesn't matter in the sense that it should provide positive outcome for Linux gaming either way. Feral might need to change something, and hopefully the right way. For one I hope they'll start releasing DRM-free games.

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Quoting: dubigrasuIs that what they think?

Does it matter? Competition will straighten bad attitudes. I.e. if FOSS tech will become better than theirs and will allow running more games on Linux including DRM-free ones, they'll be forced to improve as well. And if their tech is so much superior, then they don't need to worry anyway.

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