Quoting: STiATTW3 and Skyrim are a huge "yes, finally!" for me

Almost finally. TW3 should get a workaround for missing stream output in the coming months.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80I am not denying they are bad companies I am simply stating they make games people want.

My point is, since we agree they are bad companies, why should we care about them? They'll treat users badly no matter what you'll do. The best thing is to support developers and companies which treat users with respect.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Oh you mean the biggest games companies in the world yes i used them as an example.

It's not about the size, it's about their culture. EA and Co. are disgusting. And it's not the size that makes them so crooked, it's their management. Legacy media companies (including gaming publishers) are the worst you can find as I said.

And if they while having piles of cash are telling their users: "buy our games but we won't offer support because we can save on you", you can know for sure they are complete crooks. So this argument with Wine is irrelevant. If you think someone treats you this way, you shouldn't be buying their games to begin with. And if you are ready to buy them, then you already don't care about how they treat you, so again there shouldn't be any problem.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Okay name them I am willing to bet none of them are Bethesda/Epic/EA/Activision Blizzard & Rockstar

If choose the worst examples of legacy publishers, you'll find the most foul behavior from them. The likes of EA are not representing normal developers, they are representing the worst you can find. They don't treat users properly and users don't have respect for them in return.

Normal developers don't tell users - buy our games, but we won't support you. Especially not the ones that have lot's of money like big publishers. If they tell you that - kick them and ignore their games.

Quoting: Whitewolfe80The reality of the Linux marketshare is we are drop in the ocean the last thing we want to do as a community is give an already nerveous publisher a reason not to do a native port.

If you think they see Linux as something insignificant, then Wine has no meaning for them altogether. So your argument contradicts itself.

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I only buy DRM-free, so by amount it's mostly GOG, then Humble and last itch.io.

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Quoting: g000hA game bought for playing on Windows (i.e. WINE) because the Linux port is delayed (for instance), produces stats that it was a Windows purchase.

We know for example, that GOG collect statistics based on user agent, so GOG would know that the game was purchased and downloaded by Linux users. We don't know however what stats are shared by GOG with developers. However if they don't share these stats, developers wouldn't know anything anyway, besides the fact that the game was bought. You'd need to ask actual developers to know what info is available for them.

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Quoting: g000hWell, to speak the obvious, it is that the better we have Windows games run under WINE, then the less motivated will be game developers to release native ports.

I don't find this argument compelling. Those developers who don't make native releases are already using various wrappers, so if Wine is an option for that, I don't see a problem. Even better if they'll use FOSS tools for their releases.

On the other hand, those who are making native releases through common engines like Unity or Unreal and etc. will continue doing it. There is a relatively small group of those who are making native releases using custom engines (Nightdive, THQ Nordic and some others), and I don't think Wine has any effect on them.

Quoting: Whitewolfe80Oh i actually have to explain it. If i am a game dev and I have some linux users asking for a port now currently the options are one do it in house which means hiring staff two have feral do it which obivously incurs costs. Or 3 do nothing and wait for linux users to buy windows copies and play it through wine meaning i have to do fuck all and i still get 100 percent profit. Which one would you choose if its anything other than option 3 your lying or have never worked in large corporation.

If some developers don't want to support their users, finding excuses is simply hiding that. The problem is that they don't want to support them. Wine or not has nothing to do with it. There are many developers who support their users because they see it as a proper way to release games.

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What's worrying in better performance? You can't stop progress.

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I'm a backer. Waiting for the release :)

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Thanks to Icculus and Nightdive!

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