Quoting: CatKillerSo you've worked for Microsoft for, what, 25 years? Microsoft have a product already released that's they think is pretty good, and you're put in charge of the department whose primary function is to push that product. And you decide, before a competing product is even released, to say, "you know what? Our product is bullshit. Scrap the whole thing."

They didn't have anything even planned, let alone released. Mantle came out in 2013. AMD proposed to make it a common API and various industry players had discussions about it, with plans obviously for someone like Khronos to be the steward of that effort which indeed resulted in Vulkan by 2015. MS were there and could participate. Instead, they took the same Mantle and made DX12 from it.

See also this: https://twitter.com/renderpipeline/status/581086347450007553 [External Link]

It totally seems reasonable to me to back the collaborative effort instead of lock-in pushing. But MS being MS decided to be their old self and Phil Spencer was there for that decision.

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Yeah, fixed the typo. Though Metal is in the same boat. Apple pushed lock-in when Mantle was presented and used its ideas too.

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Quoting: CatKillerNot really. DX12 was a thing before he got put in charge of Xbox, and Xbox being a thing to push DirectX ("DirectX box") was a thing long before he was in charge.

He became the head Xbox / gaming division in MS in 2014. That's before Vulkan was even announced and during the important period when Mantle was presented by AMD to the industry as a prototype design of a common GPU API. So he totally was in charge of making the decision whether to collaborate or to push lock-in. And we know what MS did.

Even if you say someone else (shortly) before him decided to make DX12 from Mantle, he totally could scrap that and make MS collaborate with Khronos on Vulkan which was still in development phase. He didn't.

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Given Phil Spencer is probably the reason MS didn't back Vulkan but pushed DX12 lock-in instead, it's interesting that he has some positive comments about Steam Deck which relies on breaking that very lock-in.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyWhat all this makes me wonder is, are there egg rolls out there that are . . . inglorious?

To be honest, in my neck of the woods we switched to calling them "spring rolls" maybe 30 years ago at least.

Sounds like some cyberpunk themed menu selection.

Proton infused glorious eggroll with staged wine.

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Quoting: scaineWas it an "unwritten rule" that your game would be thrown out of Steam if you tried to do so?

It could be an antitrust issue if they do that (i.e. some kind of price fixing).

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Things are getting complicated. We had Wine, then we got Wine-staging since some stuff was hard to add to Wine. Then we got Proton since some stuff was hard to add even to Wine-staging. Then we got Proton-GE since some stuff was hard to add even to Proton. What's next? :tongue:

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Quoting: orochi_kyoI need a new FULL AMD PC now.

With shortages it can still be tricky, but it's getting better gradually. Looking at the trends in GOL stats, shortages slowed down the switch to AMD especially for GPUs, but I expect it to pick up pace as things improve.

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USB keyboards support n-key rollover just fine for the reference (not all of them, but some).

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Quoting: peta77What means in general? No GPU, no matter how much power it needs, gets noisy when displaying the desktop, simple applications or Videos. How loud does it get when it's under full load and how annoying is the sound? Like there's graphically demanding games out there that don't have constant action, are rather quiet and then it matters.

I mean under full load obviously. Under idle load fans don't rotate at all, so it's completely quiet. I prefer quiet operation in general and I don't have any complaints about this card in this regard. But if you want exact values like noise measurements, you'd have to search for some reviews.

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