Quoting: slaapliedjeYou are partially correct. They require DRM, but they do NOT require HDCP support. I watch videos in Netflix in 1080p all the time on my Linux system. From what I understand, HDCP is really only something that is attempted to be enforced in bluray playback programs. For example, HDCP is not supported on the HTC Vive, so even in Windows I can't use PowerDVD to play a Bluray directly through to Virtual Desktop, I only get a black screen. But I have DVDFab, which decrypts the disc, then I play it through the media player classic, with MadVR plugin, I can even watch 3D movies in VR. It's AMAZING.

I meant that play high resolution content require HDCP and this is not available in Linux (Intel started implement something, but no progress).

What it is "high resolution" depends of provider.
Netflix - in theory 720p max (1080p and more require HDCP + Internet Explorer or Windows Metro application)
HBOGO - in theory 720p max
Google Play/YouTube Movies - 480p max

Perhaps theory and reality are different... Netflix and HBOGO do not provide real information what resolution is streamed. Hard to say "on eye" if it is 720p or 1080p, but I think that it is 720p.

Only Google Play/YouTube Movies provide information about streamed resolution and, unfortunately for Linux, it is really 480p and it is visible:(

Quoting: slaapliedjeAs far as a new UI around it, I'm pretty sure that launching Firefox in full screen with video playback is fairly easy, isn't it?

Start Firefox in fullscreen is easy, but navigate Netflix or HBOGO website with this joystick will be very uncomfortable.

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Quoting: TheRiddick2) My guess is they will just optimize some sort of interface to access these web features, very much doubt it will be a ALL IN ONE browser because we all know the big boys don't like competing with each other.

First: I’m not 100% sure, but probably it is not legal. Without Netflix/Hulu/etc. legal permission you cannot wrap it inside another GUI. Legal issues could be bypassed as "community mod" that user will download and install by himself. But in this situation - it cannot be officially advertised.

Second: It is not easy task to wrap one GUI into another GUI, especially when "source" is using DRM and is it very "hostile" for "third-party" modifications. Also every tiny change on source website will destroy wrapper...

Third: Netfix/HBO/Amazon require DRM and HDCP support (for resolution bigger than 720p). There is no HDCP support in Linux at all. HDCP is supported by Android...

Long story short: if they want Netflix/Hulu/etc. it will be MUCH easier for them if it will be another Android clone.

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Sorry to say that, but in my opinion it looks very bad.
* Crowdfunding - it means that there is no real company behind it
* Access to "Netflix, Hulu, HBO GO" - normally it require "big" arrangements that could be done only by big companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. So how it is possible that crowdfunded toy will have access to it? Probably it will be another Android clone with Android Market (so with Netflix, Hulu, etc.).
* Joystick buttons - looks like "home" and "back" from Android...

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Quoting: wojtek88

Quoting: dannielloSo... Good luck for Windows 10S - Metro only system where Steam cannot be installed. It could be "wake up" signal for Valve...

That's exactly what I wish for - but I guess Microsoft is not that stupid - they learned their lesson and Windows 10S will be only for schools, public services and for poor regions of world. Rest will have normal version of their system, and this will make both Microsoft and Valve happy with situation as it is, and there won't be new push for Steam machines...

Not entirely true. Microsoft Surface Laptop is Microsoft "answer" to Apple MacBook Air - very expensive laptop for "trendy" people. And Surface Laptop is sold with... Windows 10S by default! Yes, update to Pro version is free - but in couple years ahead - version Pro will be set to "obsolete state" or "Professionals/Developer" edition. The same is with Adobe now - they replaced Adobe Lightroom with iOS/Android shit and "real" Lightroom rebranded as "Lightroom Classic" (so it suggests that it is obsolete).

Microsoft is "clever". They will not "kill" win32 immediately. They will wait. More and more Steam AAA games are already in Metro AppStore: Call of Duty, Middle-earth: Shadow of War, Tomb Raider... Every ~6 months Win10 users have forced to update Windows to newer version (with some silly name) - every time there are some "issues" after update like IE12/Edge again as default browser and not working "third party" applications. Of course problems mostly concern win32 apps installed outside Windows AppStore...

Microsoft is "softly" teaching users that their closed and proprietary AppStore is "the best way" to install software. Also Microsoft is preparing Windows MR headsets [cheaper VR]. Probably they will be working with Metro AppStore plus SteamVR, but not in opposite direction. I mean games designed for Windows MR will be Metro exclusives - the same like it is now with Facebook Oculus exclusives.

I do not know why Valve is so "calm" about it. Maybe they have some financial issues? Definitely they invested too much in VR market that still is unprofitable niche (on PC at least). HTC Vive in fact has been mostly developed by Valve - probably it took a lot of cash... So in summary there are two big failures in Valve hardware division: Steam Machines and VR (but the second maybe in couple years will bring some profits).

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Unfortunately very true. Valve support for Steam is in stagnation for long time...

Steam Linux exists because Valve got scared by Metro AppStore presented in Windows RT/8.
After "market disaster" of Metro - Microsoft abandoned concept to "kill" win32 environment, so they released Win8.1/10 where win32 apps are again equal to promoted by Microsoft Metro/UWP.

Unfortunately - in my opinion - Valve put Linux "into the refrigerator". Some progress still exists (especially updates to AMD drivers, but also SteamVR alpha), but unfortunately it is very little progress... Surprisingly even Wine has better progress - more, and more DX11 games are playable...

So... Good luck for Windows 10S - Metro only system where Steam cannot be installed. It could be "wake up" signal for Valve...

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Quoting: Nyamiou

Quoting: TheSHEEEPMakes it indeed worthy to support them. I always wanted to try CrossOver, but the price pushed me away before.

It gets on sale sometimes.

Great, please buy in promotion. Better this than nothing...
But for me it is not about CrossOver Linux product itself... It is about support CodeWeavers/wine developers and to "send message" that Linux users thinking about them... In my opinion they deserve pay full price...

Another option is donate them via https://www.winehq.org/donate [External Link]

Quoting: ArehandoroHow does crossover actually works? I mean, is it a GUI for wine? Do I need to install wine separately? what version of wine does it use? Can Wine and crossover be installed at the same time?

CrossOver Linux is completely separate from wine prefixes, so you could use both.

Generally CrossOver is more stable. For example if they said that they support Microsoft Office 2013 - it should work very stable. In wine it is lottery - something that is working in version 2.17 - could be broken in 2.18, etc.

CrossOver is based on stable wine builds, so generally they are much older versions. Playing in The Witcher 3 or GTA5 - forget for now, but who knows... maybe in next stable version;)

Also users that bought CrossOver Linux could vote what app/game is important to them, so if you want play The Witcher 3 in wine (and in future versions of CrossOver) - you should vote for it:)

CrossOver has its own GUI where you could select supported app/game (for example MS Office 2013) and wizard will show you what to do (select .exe installer or something). Manual installation of "unknown" (not officially supported) software also is possible.
CrossOver also is using its own prefixes (bottles), so apps/games could be separated.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPThe one thing Wine truly needs is a good UI.

Perhaps you should try CodeWeavers CrossOver Linux. CodeWeavers it is company that is mainly responsible for wine development.

It is sad that company that develop wine is existing only because of... CrossOver Mac buyers.
I'm in minority that bought CrossOver Linux to support developers.

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