Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: sudoer

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: scaineWell, the article says Arch, but I think it was EndeavourOS that Liam was on before he hopped on to Fedora. Indeed, it was his article about it that convinced me to make the same leap. I've been on Endeavour for about 2 or 3 months now. It's great - really enjoy it, and no breakages, whatsoever.

Specifically I used the EndeavourOS installer yes, but everything else on EndeavourOS is plain Arch, their extras are very minimal and all Arch updates come as normal.

There's no such thing as the "EndeavourOS installer", you were using EndeavourOS as it configures everything for you not in Arch's way, which is a DIY way, but as EndeavourOS devs pre-configured it for you, so you should alter your title accordingly.

Again, Arch is not EndeavourOS because EndeavourOS gets Arch's updates.

Honestly, this is a level of pedantic that just doesn't help anyone. There is no special "Arch way", everyone has it done slightly differently - because that's Arch. EndeavourOS is 99% just an installer, with a few extras. Once installed, you're on Arch.

It's not 100% pure and holy Arch on the way it's initially setup, but everything comes from Arch including every single update - that's Arch enough for me. Feel free to argue it, I don't care, it's Arch.

It's also not relevant in this scenario, since EndeavourOS does not provide a configuration for Pipewire since by default it ships with PulseAudio still. So, the Pipewire configuration would have been exactly same on Arch and on EndeavourOS.

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Quoting: vildravn

Quoting: Samsai... When I switched to Fedora Silverblue ...

Oh hey a Silverblue user with sort of similar specs to mine! How do you like it for gaming, if I can ask? :)

Works about as well as anything else. Steam runs as a Flatpak and I maintain a Toolbx container for the miscellaneous Itch.io and GOG games that require more specific dependencies. There are some annoyances, like for instance I haven't found a reliable way to run SC Controller yet, but generally speaking it hasn't gotten between me and my games at all. Most stuff just runs OOTB on the Steam Flatpak and for the rest I can drop down to a Toolbx and pretend it's an ordinary Fedora.

The real benefits of Silverblue are obviously elsewhere. I like the simplicity of the system updates and separation of system, apps and development environments. Being able to rollback bad updates (including OS version updates) and updating my dev environments separately from my system is also neat.

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Quoting: ertuquequeI think the secret is to know what to expect, you gotta work with them, it's a team. Yes, you can try new things (Pipewire), but don't blame it on your distro if that new thing doesn't work... I haven't tried it because I want to wait until it's much more stable. My distro is more important than a Pipewire adventure!

There is also a difference in philosophy at play here. I was on EndeavourOS until around the end of last year and I was using Pipewire as well at the time. Pipewire released a version with a regression, which was identified and patched but the patch only made it to the next release. During that time Endeavour (or rather, Arch) carried a flawed version of Pipewire because they generally don't patch software themselves. When I switched to Fedora Silverblue, they used the same version of Pipewire except they carried a patch to fix the regression.

So, in this case there's a different trade-off at play here than just "software X is new and experimental". Fedora commits more to keeping a functional configuration and they'll try their best to also apply system configuration changes over releases, whereas on Arch your config files might eventually just drift out of date and you'll need to manage your .pacnews in order to keep your system working correctly.

There's of course arguments to be made here one way or the other. You could argue that it's not Arch's responsibility to manage your configs for you or patch the software in their repos. Maybe Pipewire should do more minor releases to fix issues quickly upstream. But on the other hand, some people just want a system that works and preferably keeps working.

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Quoting: nenoroLiam: i leave systemD for systemD

Oh come on liam join gentoo we have cookies

Liam has in the past nuked his system by compiling OBS and you suggest he use Gentoo? Pretty bold, if you ask me. :P

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Quoting: LinasThe architecture of Chrome OS is really overcomplicated. They insist on running everything in those "containers", which are actually more like a full blown VM's, because not even the kernel is shared with the host. That is why everything is in constant alpha, and takes forever to integrate into the system. Just seems so counter-productive to me.

Some people have been suggesting it's because this separation would allow them to swap out the system underneath if they want to. So, they could swap out the underlying Linux kernel with Fuchsia for instance and not affect the containers running on top. Who knows if that will ever materialize or if Google does the Google thing and just throws Fuchsia away, but at least the explanation would make sense.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPSanctions ultimately only increase the support for their government.
It's still the right thing to do as it might be the only thing to bring regimes to their knees besides violence, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking we'll make any friends that way in affected regions.

Bold of you to assume I want to make friends. Here's a hint: I don't.

In the best case scenario we sanction their economies to crap just enough that someone in Putin's inner circle puts a bullet into the madman's brain. If along the way we make some of ordinary people realize they are being the baddies by making their lives uncomfortable, then that's a win in my book. If we don't convince anyone but we make Putin paranoid that they might be convinced, then that's a win in my book.

In the worst case scenario the only thing we accomplish is accelerating the natural life cycle of a fascist regime. Which always, without a fail, ends in the death of the regime.

Addendum: there is also the benefit of companies learning to live without Russian and Belarussian money. We're seemingly finally finding a moral line beyond which even companies aren't willing to tolerate dealing with nation states.

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Quoting: SamsaiThere seem to be some very strange comments being posted here and in the interest of orderly, on-topic discussion I've cleaned them up. Please keep the conversation adequately civil and on topic and refrain from making outlandish comparisons or dragging completely off-topic talking points into the comments.

I hope you don't mean me.
Since this war I fear for my family and I think I'm not the only one.

Feel free to delete my account.

All of the relevant comments have already been removed and the author notified.

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There seem to be some very strange comments being posted here and in the interest of orderly, on-topic discussion I've cleaned them up. Please keep the conversation adequately civil and on topic and refrain from making outlandish comparisons or dragging completely off-topic talking points into the comments.

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Quoting: GuestBecause I work witch people from Belarus i know that they are not russia ally, they are almost 'under occupation' and now when most company are not willing to trade witch Belarus its make life there even more hard (from my perspective killing people with guns (russia do it now in Ukraine) its near same Evil like not selling food to people and allow them to die from hunger (companies do it no by stoping trade witch Belarus))

Putin and Lukashenko are solely to blame for the suffering their actions have caused on their citizens. So, if the citizens are unhappy, they should know well who to send their complaints.

And while the bombs are falling on Ukrainians, I have very little sympathy for Belarussians and Russians who can't buy video games. Not that they could anyway, because their credit cards aren't quite as swift as they used to be.

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: SamsaiBut when those cool things are being made by volunteer forces and then someone comes complaining why an easy way doesn't already exist, as if the volunteer developers are somehow being stupid or lazy, then that rubs me the wrong way.

I think you kind of made my point for me.

I am a software developer, who has at times made things available for the price of free. So yes, I am going to argue against user entitlement and unconstructive criticism. If people want a feature or for a software to be available through a specific software distribution channel and the software is being developed with volunteer forces, then the minimum bar is at least asking nicely.

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