Quoting: fagnerln

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: fagnerlnAh, and talking about drugs, I bet that mostly of you in the comments support the "free drugs" movement. "People are free to use any drug they want, because they 'own' yourselves, but gambling, nah, please government, save them", ironic

Ironically, you pointed at the difference between adults and kids yourself in the very same posting...

The adult is responsible for the children, not the government, is that hard to get?

I known a boy that used their father's credit card, ONCE. The father explained to him that this is a bad thing. Maybe if the father spent some time with the kid, maybe this didn't happened the first time.

fagnerln, do you have children? Don't take this the wrong way, but like Liam said, you are incredibly naive.

Your philosophy is great in theory, but reality is more something like this:
- No Timmy, you can't play this game, it contains gambling.
- But daaad, they said on TV that it is not gambling!
- I know Timmy, but they are wrong. It is gambling because this and this..
- But dad, John's parents allow him to play it!
- Well, they are wrong to do so. In any case, you can't play it and that's final.
- Not fair, I hate you dad!

Your philosophy might work if all the parents were responsible and didn't spoil their children, but that is not the world we live in.

As for your example, let me share something from my personal life that I'm ashamed of: When I was a kid, I stole money from my mother's purse to buy a pack of Pokemon cards (you know, the old form of loot boxes). It was the only time I ever did such a thing and I felt really bad about doing it. But I reaaaaly reaaaly wanted to have that scyther and I run out of my own money trying to get it. I thought that if I could just buy one more pack, I'm sure to get it or something else cool.

To this day, my mother doesn't know about it. I can assure you, the problem wasn't on how she raised me, she was always strict with me.

So yeah, it is unfortunate, but we need laws to help parents with raising their children. You can't watch them 24/7 and even if you raise them in the best way possible, they are going to get influenced by their enviroment (classmates, teachers, media etc...).

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Needs a battle royale mode.

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Awesome, thanks for the info.

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I've played this about half a year ago and it was great fun. Somehow, the AI skiers seem like they have their own preference for which trail to take, like sometimes they made the most logical decision and sometimes not at all. Which is something I really liked, because you then need to be flexible and adjust to the situation. I also managed to break the game a bit, resulting in the skiers making circles mid hill, instead of going down :D (devs, please don't fix this, it was a great fun watching them going in circles). You can use your imagination quite a bit for trail building, which is great.

As for challange, when I played it, there was none.

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I have a strange taste in videogames. For some reason, this seems intriguing to me, so I bought it.

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Quoting: Rooster

Quoting: monnef

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: TcheyI'm absolutely no expert, and with my non-expert view, i'd think itchio is better for indie to launch or prelaunch, because less cut. Then when you get some traction from the first players (free advertisment from youtube, forum, twitter etc), and you have fixed the first annoying bugs or balance etc, you can better second launch on Steam and avoid the "Negativers", or part of them.

Or not.

Less cut, but a massively reduced audience too.

Also severely more limited in terms of publishing (do they have even branches? regional pricing?).

Quoting: Liam Dawebut a massively reduced audience too

To illustrate your point I'll add some numbers from our very small, free, average (maybe even bellow average) indie game without any marketing:

Steam: over 90 000 visits
itch.io: 52 views

Steam: ~270 unique downloads
itch.io: exactly 5 (yes, FIVE; not even sure if unique)

Don't get me wrong, I like itch.io - store front setup was quick, same goes with setting up the download, nor did they have any special requirements or additional costs. I think it is ideal for hobbyists and maybe starting studios, to share early projects, start building community.

Even though I suffered a lot with setting up stuff on Steam, waiting to reject build several times and fix "issues", waiting for store page to be approved and then waiting arbitrary time period even longer before it could be shown to users, in the end, I believe Steam is worth the money and the effort if you intend to make money with your game (we really didn't intend to, it was rather done to test the waters).

BTW share of Linux downloads on itch.io was 40% :D.

So basically.. Itch.io is the better store (from developer perspective) but it is essential to put your game on Steam, because more people are using it. Hmmm.. Where have I heard that before?

Better? Welll, Itch.io is clearly the simpler store to get things started on. Even aside from the network effects, I think you're kind of ignoring the original article here:

We need Early Access, the full feature set, the forums, the constant updating, the whole infrastructure. Valve has the best platform, by far, to roll out a game as an independent developer. It's by far the best tools and the best communities. This is exactly what we need.

There's also stuff people have mentioned like regional pricing. So itch is very user-friendly, but Steam is powerful and has many features. Define "better".

That said, network effects rule on this kind of thing. Perhaps sad, but generally true.

Better from developer point of view. I guess it might differ from dev to dev, but I'm pretty sure most of them will prioritize the 100/0 cut and ease of the setup to everything else.

Basically what I'm getting at (in a sort of roundabout way) is that if more customers used itch.io, Epic Game Store would lose its position as the developer friendly store. So in the end, you would have Steam as the most customer friendly store and itch as the more developer friendly store and Epic Store would be in the garbage, where it rightfully belongs.

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Quoting: monnef

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: TcheyI'm absolutely no expert, and with my non-expert view, i'd think itchio is better for indie to launch or prelaunch, because less cut. Then when you get some traction from the first players (free advertisment from youtube, forum, twitter etc), and you have fixed the first annoying bugs or balance etc, you can better second launch on Steam and avoid the "Negativers", or part of them.

Or not.

Less cut, but a massively reduced audience too.

Also severely more limited in terms of publishing (do they have even branches? regional pricing?).

Quoting: Liam Dawebut a massively reduced audience too

To illustrate your point I'll add some numbers from our very small, free, average (maybe even bellow average) indie game without any marketing:

Steam: over 90 000 visits
itch.io: 52 views

Steam: ~270 unique downloads
itch.io: exactly 5 (yes, FIVE; not even sure if unique)

Don't get me wrong, I like itch.io - store front setup was quick, same goes with setting up the download, nor did they have any special requirements or additional costs. I think it is ideal for hobbyists and maybe starting studios, to share early projects, start building community.

Even though I suffered a lot with setting up stuff on Steam, waiting to reject build several times and fix "issues", waiting for store page to be approved and then waiting arbitrary time period even longer before it could be shown to users, in the end, I believe Steam is worth the money and the effort if you intend to make money with your game (we really didn't intend to, it was rather done to test the waters).

BTW share of Linux downloads on itch.io was 40% :D.

So basically.. Itch.io is the better store (from developer perspective) but it is essential to put your game on Steam, because more people are using it. Hmmm.. Where have I heard that before?

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IDDQD
IDKFA
IDCLIP

It took me many years to remember the exact day of my mothers brithday. Yet I somehow still remember this after almost 20 years. Fuck you brain.

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Thanks for the inputs, I'll give it another try.

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So I played this game once, beat it on my first playthrough and it was.. good, but not good enough that it would make me want to do a second playthrough with different character.

Do you think I'm missing out? Does the second character (the one you unlock after first time beating it) make it better? I know he makes it harder and you have to go for a different deck, but that alone doesn't sound so tempting to me.

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