it dropped on arch linux and yep fixed all my major gaming issues. also weirdly enough it also fixed a stutter issue i have been having with VLC for months.

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Quoting: Vortex_AcheronticYES! Finally!

I mean I am running nVidia + Wayand close to two years now. But the lack of explicit sync in certain applications made me sometimes switch to X11 just for these apps. While I feel like especially Gnome has long time abandoned X11 all together as the X11 experience is in fact even worse than Wayland without Explicit Sync on nVidia.

this has been my experience too. despite the weird glitches on wayland, logging into kde x11 feels like everything is stuttering. maybe its because i have 2 monitors at 2 different refresh rates. but the experience on wayland has been way smoother. just havent been able to play most of my games for last 8 months. im also hoping this fixes a weird issue where VLC stutters like crazy playing any videos

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Quoting: damarrinOh, that is lovely. I tried playing LiS2, but bounced right off it not far in. A return of the protagonist from the first one is very welcome.

making the little brother the primary antagonist was extremely stupid. and i dont mean he was the big bad guy no the little brother was the cause of alot of the elder brothers problems throughout the game. i also played lis3 and i didnt like 2 or 3. i here before the storm was bad too. so i think the studio is just "going" back to what worked. but dont understand why life is strange 1 was so good. i think they are gonna botch it too

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Quoting: const

Quoting: stephenseiber420

Quoting: Jpxe

Another blog post from Graham also goes over what's really going on with Wayland, that's worth a read, giving a bit of a quick history lesson and going into where things stand right now including some issues it has noting that KDE, Valve and Blue Systems have been funding work to improve various areas.

This blog post was a great read. The future looks bright for Wayland, finally. Does someone know if there still are issues with nvidia on Wayland or has that been sorted out?

only issues i have had with wayland on nvidia is with discord and vivaldi. for vivaldi it was issues with xwayland. i had to turn on an experimental setting for it to use wayland and that fixes most of the issues. for discord it also has issues with xwayland but will randomly crash using wayland. there is other occasional weird graphical glitches but nothing major

What generation of Nvidia? I tested after everyone said "it kinda works on Nvidia by now" and it was horrible. KDE messed up my screen dimensions, so the panels and fullscreen windows would not allign with the screens. Everything was flickering and resizing like crazy. Colors were wrong and - again - flickering. A whole mess and potentially hazardous for people with special conditions.

im on a 3060

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Quoting: Jpxe

Another blog post from Graham also goes over what's really going on with Wayland, that's worth a read, giving a bit of a quick history lesson and going into where things stand right now including some issues it has noting that KDE, Valve and Blue Systems have been funding work to improve various areas.

This blog post was a great read. The future looks bright for Wayland, finally. Does someone know if there still are issues with nvidia on Wayland or has that been sorted out?

only issues i have had with wayland on nvidia is with discord and vivaldi. for vivaldi it was issues with xwayland. i had to turn on an experimental setting for it to use wayland and that fixes most of the issues. for discord it also has issues with xwayland but will randomly crash using wayland. there is other occasional weird graphical glitches but nothing major

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Quoting: Numeric

Quoting: TheSHEEEPFor desktops, I'm not sure about the use case.

Even without immutability, most big distros are already "it just works" - and in addition also offer more possibility to customize.

What it would offer is more security to not accidentally mess up your system, I'd wager.
But even then, that's what rollbacks are for, so... yeah, I'm really not sure about the use case on normal desktop.

The normal use case for immutability on the desktop, is the same reason immutability is the default on smartphones. I truly believe that the average human sees technology (in all forms) akin to that of an appliance or automobile. You push a button, engage with the controls, and it generates the expected response near every time. After providing voluntarily community IT support for many years, this impression is almost carved in stone within me.

At the core of it, the people I work with want to know very little about their PC (for a variety of reasons). Majority never even change the desktop wallpaper. They push the power button, then expect everything to work and be up to date. The younger ones do some customization, but defaults are king. Their systems take care of themselves and manual interaction is only performed when forced by system prompts. Linux can not enter this space without providing that which the current offerings have, which is an appliance-like nature by default. Automatic stable atomic updates, simple program installation, access to the majority of modern applications, and quick recoverability from technological hiccups are all needed to be baked in the operating system. Due to the functional structure of Linux and its FOSS subsystems, I truly respect the struggle that Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite, SteamOS, MicroOS Aeon, and now Ubuntu development teams are engaged in to make this experience come to light.

Those reading here on GamingOnLinux are near guaranteed to not be the category of people I have described above. Hopefully, the Linux community at large can grow to be more understanding of the need for immutable desktop operating system. Without a doubt, there is a commercial interest from the these Linux companies, but should we not be supportive all the same for getting FOSS into the hands of people who are currently being exploited by non-open systems? Give this time, let's not let snaps vs ostree vs native be the focus, these things sort themselves out. While Fedora Kinoite may be my current go-to recommendation for new Linux users, I am very curiosity to see how things play out on the snap front.

TL:DR Immutable OSes need to come for the masses to engage with Linux and FOSS at a system level. Average people have quite a different perspective on computers than tech-understanding users like the GamingOnLinux readership. On both the commercial and humanitarian fronts, Immutable OSes provide benefits and the established Linux community should do it best to support these efforts (or at the very least not publicly disparage the good that comes form it).

Edit: To clarify, my last sentence was not implying that your specific comment was disparaging. Rather it was direct to the generic Linux user/commentator that might be inflamed by immutables.

im someone who reads gaming on linux but i personally like my arch system running without any problems... once i set it up and do some customizations i dont really change much about it... since i set it up a few months ago it has been mostly unchanged minus daily updating... there has been no need to change it... it functions exactly as i want... so yeah i understand the concept of a computer should just work... tinkering can be fun but unless i have to i would rather not...

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Quoting: massatt212Why y'all don't have the same energy for Sony?

last i check sony doesnt control 95% of the pc gaming market... not to mention microsoft is 2 trillion dollar company and sony is at 120 billion... microsoft is trying to buy a company that is worth half their consule competitor... you can bet if they could buy nintendo or sony they would... but japan would block both mergers outright... and alot of people myself include are still ticked off about what microsoft did in the 90s that contributed to this directx centered gaming development... though im not a fan of mergers in general... espeically in the gaming space... loads of ip's die after mergers... to many people are on hopium that microsoft is gonna do something about the problems with activision management... no microsoft is just after more ip's for their cloud gaming services... their goal is to create a cloud gaming services monopoly cause thats the future they see... there is probably some kinda stupid loophole in the agreement so they dont have to wait 10 years...

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Quoting: Avehicle7887

Quoting: sarmad"fragmented platform"

What a silly execute

Logged in just to say the same thing but you beat me to it.:wink:

This excuse is old and very inaccurate. I've plenty of native Linux games which run perfectly fine on a number of distros, and if the Roblox devs want to make it easy on themselves they could just target a slightly older Ubuntu distro.

yeah i agree... instant someone starts talking about fragmentation and linux it shows how little they know about linux... this isnt android with its 50 different versions of the kernel... all distros are on litteral like 1 or 2 versions of the kernal... that isnt fragmentation. and as u said u dont need to support all the distros just pick one. like valve did when they brought steam to linux... i logged on to type this message too...

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Quoting: Sojiro84

Quoting: TheRiddick

Quoting: drjomsWhat scheduler you have?

Performance

Freesync is only available on Primary screen. IN saying that freesync is the magic bullet to fix these types of issues and games should still be relatively smooth even without vsync.

Wish amdgpu would introduce fastsync or whatever AMD Utilities has under Windows.

I use ARCH but this list sums up Wayland issue.
It's going to need much more support to become a standard;

I do know there is a selection of blank canvas WM that use wlroots such as Sway and Wayfire but those require HEAVY amount of customisation to become a actually fully fledged usable desktop environment, and even still have lots of missing features. (and aren't stable)

https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland#Desktops [External Link]

I am on KDE Plasma (Wayland) and FreeSync works on both my FreeSync capable monitors here. I also have no issues of dropped frames. Perfect experience here with my 5700 XT.

Weird that it doesn't work as good for you.

i also dont have any wayland explicit issues with a RX 6600

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Quoting: TheRiddick

Quoting: 14Still, "trash" is pretty harsh for something that overall does work reliably in my experience.

Maybe if you actually USED Wayland as for power desktop and gaming needs then you will think differently.

Pretty much ALL desktop environments work pretty good if you do very light desktop stuff and minimal gaming!

i run plasma wayland on amd gpu on my gaming rig just find... there are a few minor issues but nothing game breaking and games run perfectly... i find nothing about my experceince on wayland with intel/amd gpus to be trash... nvidia on the other hand has major issues on my spouses computer...

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