Quoting: scaineAs noted in the article itself, it's the devs themselves that bemoan that this change prevents them from putting their older games in a bundle.

Yeah, but why lie about this? The change happened almost 3 years ago. If they can't be straight about this... why should anybody trust them?

If their previous game Saturnalia had sold well, I'm pretty sure that they would be able to generate more keys. The game had a peak of 15 players 1.5 years ago. It's got 80 reviews on Steam. It apparently didn't sell well... so why should they be able to continue generating keys? You can still buy some keys online, so at some point they must have been able to generate keys.

It's not a negotiation, but bigger devs suffer from a smaller cut.

Here's the breakdown I took from a Reddit thread, so I admit I haven't verified this, but I have no reason to doubt it.

Yes... and that's known for years. I'm just wondering where Pete is getting the "developers can negotiate the cut" from. I'm not aware that anybody can negotiate that. Everybody has to earn it.

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Quoting: Petethegoat

Quoting: kuhpunktAnd they have RECENTLY begun refusing keys? That change happened almost 3 years ago. It just comes across as disingenuous.

wanting to put their previous game in a bundle does not seem disingenuous.

I didn't say anything about wanting to put their game in a bundle. I just talked about the change... 3 years ago isn't recent. It's the same with their earliest statements where they feigned ignorance and people only got to hear their side. The banner on their website doesn't help them either - it's just antagonizing Valve - so why would they even consider changing their stance?

Quoting: Petethegoatsome developers can still get steam keys for other stores and bundle purposes, clearly, so when the language was changed doesn't seem super relevant.

It's not "some" - it's everybody who is in good standing, following the guidelines and not abusing the system.

Quoting: Petethegoatit provides SOME value to developers. does it provide enough for the 30% cut valve take? maybe, but i don't think it's at all unreasonable to criticise them.

Of course they can/should be criticized - when there's a good reason to. Just in this case here... what incentive would Valve have to NOT sell the game? Why would they care? It would make them money - so they must have had a pretty good reason to reject the game.

This is what Valve said:

"This happens sometimes if content on the store page causes concern that the game itself might not fall within our guidelines. After our team played through the build and reviewed the content, we gave the developer feedback about why we couldn’t ship the game on Steam, consistent with our onboarding rules and guidelines. A short while later the developer asked us to reconsider the review, and our internal content review team discussed that extensively and communicated to the developer our final decision that we were not going to ship the game on Steam."

Quoting: Petethegoatthey are not good for developers in the same way they are good for consumers - especially smaller developers who do not get to negotiate down the 30% cut.

Which developers get to negoatiate the cut?!

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I don't think it's a problem, but what does it say about the developer? In a week this whole thing is forgotten... then what do they have left?

And their communication wasn't great either. Statement like this...

Steam has recently begun refusing to grant developers keys for their own games. In the absence of clear rules or guidance, Valve led developers for years to believe they could request keys as needed, building communities and businesses outside Steam while still creating value for Steam users. It now withholds keys from indie developers who do not meet undisclosed sales thresholds.

...don't help. Depicting Valve as the bad buys who don't let devs like them abuse the system. And they have RECENTLY begun refusing keys? That change happened almost 3 years ago. It just comes across as disingenuous.

https://newsletter.gamediscover.co/p/valves-new-stance-on-steam-keys-what [External Link]

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: kuhpunktThose devs sure love the attention.

What an odd thing to say. Of course they want attention, every developer wants attention. And they're drawing attention to a problem of the biggest PC store there is (and Epic...) refusing their game.

Sure, but I think there is attention and "attention" - and all of this (like the banner on their homepage) just looks like it's shock value for the sake of itself. It's like "Too hot for TV." Because that's all it has going for it. If they hadn't been refused by Valve, I doubt most people would ever care about it. That's something I don't like.

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Those devs sure love the attention.

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I saw one comment... it could be a great way to bring a lot of streaming apps like Netflix to the Steam Machine as well. People might want that.

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Steam Machine, new Controller and Steam Frame (new VR headset) have all leaked.

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It's out now. 28,99€.

Yooka-Replaylee was cheaper.

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3x roguelite, lol.

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To see this news is just soooooooo disheartening.

Goodbye Last Epoch, you were amazing while you were with us. We will remember you fondly emoji

Why?

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